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Post subject: Re: French Armoured Cruisers - rebootPosted: August 14th, 2017, 5:24 pm
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Post subject: Re: French Armoured Cruisers - rebootPosted: August 21st, 2017, 7:23 pm
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Hello again!

The next one was an early Alvama, and - again - I hope he does not mind a redo: The Jeanne d'Arc.

When she was laid down in 1896, she was nearly twice the size of her immediate predecessors (Latouche-Treville-class and Pothuau); unfortunately, she took six and a half years to complete and was quite obsolete when she commissioned in 1902. She was woefully underarmed for her size (two 195mm and 14 140mm guns, plus 16 or 18 47mm and 6 37mm revolvers), incapable of reaching her design speed of 23 knots (best result 21,8 knots) and unhandy as a supertanker (2.000 meters tactical diameter; the average British battleship of that era had 600 - 700 meters). On the plus side, she was comfortable, well protected (maximum belt strength 150mm, and a large part of her hull covered with 100mm plating), and she looked impressive in a pompous way.
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Jeanne d'Arc was turned into a TS in 1912, but retained her full armament; she was fitted with rangefinders and a slightly modified bridge. In this guise, she was reactivated for active service in 1914 and spent most of WWI in the Mediterranean. She did not receive any further modifications.
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After the war, she landed her 37mm revolvers and the eight hull-mounted 140mm guns (creating more accomodation space in the former embrasures) and reverted to her TS role.
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Jeanne d'Arc was decommissioned in 1928 and scrapped in 1934.

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Post subject: Re: French Armoured Cruisers - rebootPosted: August 21st, 2017, 7:31 pm
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Excellent, as usual.

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Post subject: Re: French Armoured Cruisers - rebootPosted: August 22nd, 2017, 1:09 am
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Post subject: Re: French Armoured Cruisers - rebootPosted: August 22nd, 2017, 1:48 am
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More great work as always!

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Post subject: Re: French Armoured Cruisers - rebootPosted: August 22nd, 2017, 8:00 am
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An excellent addition. Jeanne d'Arc was certainly an imposing looking ship, if indeed a flawed design.

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Post subject: Re: French Armoured Cruisers - rebootPosted: August 22nd, 2017, 7:05 pm
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Fantastic. :)


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Post subject: Re: French Armoured Cruisers - rebootPosted: August 23rd, 2017, 9:37 am
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Superb work, as usual.

I just want to precise one point:
Garlicdesign wrote: *

Hugo had her turrets painted black; unlike most other French ships, her CT was painted black as well.

Wartime alterations were similar to the others: more w/t equipment, reduced and re-arranged tertiary armament and the typical black colouring for turrets.
In fact the turret are not painted black.
During summer 1915, the Navy high command ordered to scrap the grey painting of the turrets to reduce the risk of fire (due to intense shelling and/or impact). To prevent rusting of the bare iron, a mix of grease and smoke soot was applied giving a really aesthetical bright black aspect.
Source : Robert Dumas & Jean Guiglini in "Les cuirassés Français de 23500 tonnes"
This method remained till 1930.

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Post subject: Re: French Armoured Cruisers - rebootPosted: November 2nd, 2017, 8:05 pm
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Hi again!

Gueydon-Class armoured cruisers

After the Jeanne d'Arc had turned out oversized and unhandy, the next type of armoured cruiser was supposed to have similar abilities on a 25% smaller hull. The result was a 9.500-tonner about equal to the British Monmouth-class (2 195mm, 8 165mm and 4 100mm guns with a broadside of 400kg; the 14 152mm guns of HMS Monmouth had a broadside of 405 kg). Protection was slightly stronger, speed was slightly less. They were versatile (in the sense that they were not really good at anything) and reasonably cheap, so the three units of this class were the basis for a follow-on class of five more very similar ships (Gloire-class, next on my to-do list). The three units of the Gueydon-Class (Gueydon, Montcalm and Dupetit-Thouars) were commissioned between 1902 and 1905. While very similar from a distance, the closer you came to them, the more details differed - funnel shape, fore and aft bridge arrangement, hatch and porthole pattern, mast arrangement, you name it. Despite this, there are only few relatively easy giveaways to tell them from each other. Montcalm had an additional deckhouse aft and no platform on the mainmast:
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Gueydon had her forward hawsepipe covered by a hatch, two large steam tubes abaft both forefunnels and the compass platform amidships instead aft:
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Dupetit-Thouars was unique by not having any of these unique features:
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None of them received any meaningful modernization; modifications were limited to improved bridge and fire control arrangements and rangefinders. I have not been able to find post-1914 photographs of Dupetit-Thouars; she likely was not significantly altered afterwards. She was torpedoed by U-62 in 1918.
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Gueydon and Montcalm are shown on late- or postwar photographs with an additional pair of searchlights abreast the foremast. Both had landed their 37mm revolvers. Gueydon was retained as a TS postwar and lingered till 1942 or 1943 as accomodation hulk; she was scrapped by the Germans.
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Montcalm also had the number of 47mm guns reduced. She also was converted to a barracks ship and scrapped during the Second World War by the Germans.
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Post subject: Re: French Armoured Cruisers - rebootPosted: November 2nd, 2017, 8:41 pm
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Fantastic drawings. :)


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