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Post subject: New Orleans-class heavy cruisersPosted: November 11th, 2017, 10:46 pm
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CA-38 USS San Francisco duties during the Guadalcanal campaign in 1942:
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Post subject: Re: New Orleans-class heavy cruisersPosted: November 11th, 2017, 11:08 pm
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Nice work! I cannot comment on the accuracy of the drawing, but I saw some small shading issues:
- the overhang shading seems a bit on the dark side
- your hull shading suddenly ends at the waterline (only visible at the stern)
- the front of the pilothouse and the front facing part of the aftmost turret are shaded dark, should those not be lighter?

In addition, a few small stylistic things:

There seem to be some parts without black outlines, such as mooring equipment on the bow and stern

Platforms where people can stand on are normally drawn with 3 pixels (black-colour-black) instead of one pixel, if possible. Doing so might make the searchlight platform amidships and the platform the ships' boat is on look less flimsy.

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Post subject: Re: New Orleans-class heavy cruisersPosted: November 11th, 2017, 11:33 pm
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acelanceloet wrote: *
- the overhang shading seems a bit on the dark side
Updated. Shades are lighter.
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- your hull shading suddenly ends at the waterline (only visible at the stern)
If possible, point out the drawing on which part?
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- the front of the pilothouse and the front facing part of the aftmost turret are shaded dark, should those not be lighter?
No.
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There seem to be some parts without black outlines, such as mooring equipment on the bow and stern
I left it like that because if I add the black outlines. The mooring will enlarge and would not be accurate to the picture I was using in drawing this ship.
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Platforms where people can stand on are normally drawn with 3 pixels (black-colour-black) instead of one pixel, if possible.
I went with 2 pixels instead. I already updated. 3 pixels is too thick for this specific part.


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Post subject: Re: New Orleans-class heavy cruisersPosted: November 11th, 2017, 11:54 pm
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2 pixel lines are frowned upon in shipbucket style. They create black blobs instead of proper lines. 3 pixel lines are to be used if possible even if 2 would be the right size, slightly oversizing for the sake of looking good and uniform.

The overhang shading still looks somewhat dark to me, it almost gives the impression of double black lines in some places.

hull shading: under the 38 on the stern, the shaded part on the red painted hull, suddenly ends at the boot topping (dark grey) while the hull does not end there, so why would the shading :P

for the mooring gear, I normally use either single pixel or 3 pixel lines for these parts as well. 2 pixel, as is basically what you have done here, looks somewhat bad when compared with the rest of the ship. Sometimes you have to improvise with the stylistic limits of the shipbucket style to represent certain aspects of a ship.

btw, why would the forward facing parts not be lighter shaded? right now it looks weird, you use light shading on some parts of the ship (masts, upper level of the forward superstructure) but on some places you do not shade the forward facing parts (funnels, catapult support for example) and sometimes you shade them dark? (pilothouse, aft turret)

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Post subject: Re: New Orleans-class heavy cruisersPosted: November 12th, 2017, 12:44 am
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acelanceloet wrote: *
2 pixel lines are frowned upon in shipbucket style. They create black blobs instead of proper lines. 3 pixel lines are to be used if possible even if 2 would be the right size, slightly oversizing for the sake of looking good and uniform.
Ok, I now understand.
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The overhang shading still looks somewhat dark to me, it almost gives the impression of double black lines in some places.
I am not sure which part you are stating.
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hull shading: under the 38 on the stern, the shaded part on the red painted hull, suddenly ends at the boot topping (dark grey) while the hull does not end there, so why would the shading
Ok I see what you are stating. According to the reference I used, the curve ends like that.
Is the only reference I have for the moment.
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for the mooring gear, I normally use either single pixel or 3 pixel lines for these parts as well. 2 pixel, as is basically what you have done here, looks somewhat bad when compared with the rest of the ship. Sometimes you have to improvise with the stylistic limits of the shipbucket style to represent certain aspects of a ship.
Ok I understand.
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btw, why would the forward facing parts not be lighter shaded? right now it looks weird, you use light shading on some parts of the ship (masts, upper level of the forward superstructure) but on some places you do not shade the forward facing parts (funnels, catapult support for example) and sometimes you shade them dark? (pilothouse, aft turret)
Aft turret? You mean the aft part of Turret number 2. The pilothouse is curved in and under the communication bridge (2nd level).
Is the reason I shaded dark.


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Post subject: Re: New Orleans-class heavy cruisersPosted: November 12th, 2017, 12:51 am
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The aft part of turret number 3 actually, the one above the outher propellers.

Shipbucket style means shading overhangs with a single darker line under the overhang itself. Other then that, no shadows ware drawn. 'lighted' and 'darkened' areas of the ship are to represent the way the superstructure is shaped. Areas that face forward are lightened, areas that face backwards are darkened. For clarity, these shading styles are not mixed, as that would lead to confusion.

the overhang shading I was talking about is the dark lines under, for example, the bridge wings.

Btw, these are all very small issues, looking good so far!
as for the shape of the stern, this might help: https://maritime.org/doc/plans/ca34.pdf

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Post subject: Re: New Orleans-class heavy cruisersPosted: November 12th, 2017, 1:10 am
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acelanceloet wrote: *
The aft part of turret number 3 actually, the one above the outher propellers.

Shipbucket style means shading overhangs with a single darker line under the overhang itself. Other then that, no shadows ware drawn. 'lighted' and 'darkened' areas of the ship are to represent the way the superstructure is shaped. Areas that face forward are lightened, areas that face backwards are darkened. For clarity, these shading styles are not mixed, as that would lead to confusion.
Ok, I will do that right now. Thanks for stating that to me.
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the overhang shading I was talking about is the dark lines under, for example, the bridge wings.
I thicken to 3 pixels. I hope is that what you meant? or I am looking at the wrong direction.
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Btw, these are all very small issues, looking good so far!
as for the shape of the stern, this might help: https://maritime.org/doc/plans/ca34.pdf
Thanks for the clarification and the plans. I appreciated.

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Post subject: Re: New Orleans-class heavy cruisersPosted: November 12th, 2017, 3:15 am
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Post subject: Re: New Orleans-class heavy cruisersPosted: November 12th, 2017, 10:38 am
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