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Karle94
Post subject: Re: American Dreadnoughts - ReduxPosted: October 29th, 2018, 9:11 pm
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Almost like they were, what's the word... standardized

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Or rather the unwillingness of congress to exceed the previous ships in cost by making bigger, more powerful ships. I guess It's normal to start with the previous ship and work out from there.


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Colombamike
Post subject: Re: American Dreadnoughts - ReduxPosted: October 30th, 2018, 9:29 am
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@Karle94, (and @David Latuch)

Beautifull thread Karle, I am looking forward to your drawings for the 1941-1945 period

Too bad you did not work together, YOU and DAVID LATUCH

David Latuch seems to work on the same drawings (and that makes DUPLICATES :roll: )
Texas/New Yorkhttp://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8678
Arkansashttp://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8501
:roll: Colorado'shttp://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8191
Pennsylvannia'shttp://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8104
Nevada'shttp://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8058
Tennessee'shttp://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7877
:roll: New Mexico'shttp://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7771

Hoping that you worked together (it avoids duplicates, and twin-brainstorming improves accuracy of the drawings)
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Colosseum
Post subject: Re: American Dreadnoughts - ReduxPosted: October 30th, 2018, 2:20 pm
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Yes, the strange duplication of efforts here is a bit counterproductive and seems weird to me. If you guys are intent on drawing the US battleships, why not work together on them vs. producing two threads of parallel work?

Obviously anyone can draw whatever ship they want though. It's not a huge deal but wondering why this was the chosen path.

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Post subject: Re: American Dreadnoughts - ReduxPosted: October 30th, 2018, 3:46 pm
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My reason for the remaster is to put the new and proper parts, guns directors and radars, as they did not exist when I first drew them, but also to give them the proper colors, seeing as the standard SB grey and red is falling out of favor. I also wanted to brin them up to my new standards attained with the New Mexico design proposals.

Addendum: I just took the plunge and resized all portholes to the new 3x3 size and shaded them in a less "garish" light blue.


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Karle94
Post subject: Re: American Dreadnoughts - ReduxPosted: October 31st, 2018, 8:38 pm
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I've added the USS Arizona from 1916, 1918 and 1925.

Before I do the 1941 Arizona I would like to get some answers to further cement what I've read online. As we all know, American capital ships were painted in Measure 1, that is dark grey 5-D, and the mast and superstructure above the funnel tops in light grey 5-L. Now, here is where the complecation sets in, some sources say the Arizona was either fully painted in Measure 1A, that is sea blue 5-S that replaces the dark grey 5-D. Documentation exists of Kimmel ordering 5-S for Battleship Row. One of the surivors of the Arizona says he was on the painting team, and that the hull, the turrets and the barbettes were painted in 5-S, whilst the rest remained 5-D. What I need is some input from one of you if you know something about this subject.


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Post subject: Re: American Dreadnoughts - ReduxPosted: October 31st, 2018, 9:03 pm
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I haven't read up on the Arizona that much, but here's a 105 page thread on ModelWarships and I'm fairly sure it's discussed at length. Like most of these subjects/arguments, there probably isn't a concrete answer, so you'll have to pick one version you like and go with that (OR draw alternative variants) ;)

http://www.shipmodels.info/mws_forum/vi ... 47&t=12942

Good luck!

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Post subject: Re: American Dreadnoughts - ReduxPosted: October 31st, 2018, 10:46 pm
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Karle94 wrote: *
Before I do the 1941 Arizona I would like to get some answers to further cement what I've read online. As we all know, American capital ships were painted in Measure 1, that is dark grey 5-D, and the mast and superstructure above the funnel tops in light grey 5-L. Now, here is where the complecation sets in, some sources say the Arizona was either fully painted in Measure 1A, that is sea blue 5-S that replaces the dark grey 5-D. Documentation exists of Kimmel ordering 5-S for Battleship Row. One of the surivors of the Arizona says he was on the painting team, and that the hull, the turrets and the barbettes were painted in 5-S, whilst the rest remained 5-D. What I need is some input from one of you if you know something about this subject.
VISUAL REAL FACTS + few sources
Compare, analyze them, and decide :roll: :| :ugeek: ;)
If I have time, I can give you a round of "bastard critic comments" after your first drawing version
AA light guns :
- sponson's for single 76mm or quadruple 28mm still empty during the attack !
- some 0,5"MGs around mast...(3 (no 4 ! confirmed by pics) on atop aft-mast, 2 amid forward-mast, 2? around funnel, and ? maybe ? 2 or 4 in the (flag ?) bridge, dubious, difficult to see on pics)
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Karle94
Post subject: Re: American Dreadnoughts - ReduxPosted: October 31st, 2018, 11:22 pm
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I have access to these guys: http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/BB39/BOGP/

So I should be able to get her pretty accurate.


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Post subject: Re: American Dreadnoughts - ReduxPosted: October 31st, 2018, 11:39 pm
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Karle94 wrote: *
I have access to these guys: http://www.researcheratlarge.com/Ships/BB39/BOGP/
So I should be able to get her pretty accurate.
Not really for real camo & real light AA config ;)


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Post subject: Re: American Dreadnoughts - ReduxPosted: November 1st, 2018, 2:04 am
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Hey Mike, who did the Arizona SB drawing? I'd love to borrow parts but you forgot the credits my man.

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