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Vossiej
Post subject: Re: Royal Netherlands Navy M-frigate replacement studyPosted: November 22nd, 2013, 6:10 am
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Thank you for that massive contribution Colombamike! As soon as the weekend starts I will pick it up again.

Philbob: No, the S-, and L-frigates are completely different designs. Those were designed in the late 1970's to replace the destroyers that were then in service, while the M-frigates were to be cheap ocean-going patrol frigates that had to replace ex-USN escorts.

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Post subject: Re: Royal Netherlands Navy M-frigate replacement studyPosted: November 23rd, 2013, 5:01 pm
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Well my schedule for the weekend was stirred up a bit, so I only got time to make it this far:

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As you can see I mainly focused on the main radars of the ship. As Colombamike pointed out by the time these ships are built the radars will have evolved even further. The design shows four large phased array radars (which will function as the main 3D air search radar), accompanied by several smaller radar arrays such as an surface search radar and extra S-band air search radar. Not that these are placed on as well the forward and aft superstructure. Above and underneath the large arrays are the ICAS, UHF/VHF and IFF systems.

The weapons lay-out is still a WIP. For the VLS layout I was inspired by the south-korean navy, who have their VLS placed up pretty high. This ship will initially only be fitted with 16 tactical-length VLS cells, but this setup provides a lot of growth margin (48cells, strike length). For guns I went with a 76mm Strales gun (don't ask my why, but I like the idea that it can be used against fast moving areal targets) and several smaller automated 12.7mm guns (based on the Hitrole). I also installed my version of the improved Goalkeeper, although its firing-arc has been somewhat reduced.

Last but not least 8 anti-ship missiles (Harpoon Block II or similar) and of course the trusty torpedoes.

I was told by MC'spoilt that a German defense company has developed a hard-kill anti-torpedo system called the SeaSpider.
http://www.atlas-elektronik.com/what-we ... seaspider/

Maybe something I will incorporate into the design later on.


And remember, still a very much WIP, but constructive criticism is of course more than welcome :D

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Post subject: Re: Royal Netherlands Navy M-frigate replacement studyPosted: November 23rd, 2013, 6:06 pm
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Vossiej wrote:
still a very much WIP, but constructive criticism is of course more than welcome :D
Vossiej,
I'm not really interested by the somewath "straightforward" DMO design.....
Using your previous drawing, here is my..."idea"...
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Post subject: Re: Royal Netherlands Navy M-frigate replacement studyPosted: November 23rd, 2013, 6:23 pm
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Hmmm.. In my honest opinion I quite like the DMO design,, it has a really personal Dutch feeling to it.
Your version strongly reminds me of the current (and IMO boring) FREMM line.

But I was planning to do several versions anyway so I'll take your idea into consideration as well ;)

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Post subject: Re: Royal Netherlands Navy M-frigate replacement studyPosted: November 23rd, 2013, 6:25 pm
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Vossiej wrote:
As Colombamike pointed out by the time these ships are built the radars will have evolved even further. The design shows four large phased array radars (which will function as the main 3D air search radar), accompanied by several smaller radar arrays such as an surface search radar and extra S-band air search radar. Not that these are placed on as well the forward and aft superstructure. Above and underneath the large arrays are the ICAS, UHF/VHF and IFF systems.
YES !!!
when you see that around 2012, Thales propose a new radar project to the French navy for there AAW FREMM version (FREDA frigate project).
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Post subject: Re: Royal Netherlands Navy M-frigate replacement studyPosted: November 24th, 2013, 11:35 pm
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I confess I'm a little unclear whether the stuff I'm looking at would qualify as a "never-built", or if this is a lot of conceptual spitballing that really might be more accurately called a personal design.


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Post subject: Re: Royal Netherlands Navy M-frigate replacement studyPosted: November 25th, 2013, 9:31 am
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Indeed erik_t, it is more becoming a personal design. Does a moderator see the opportunity to split the topic into a never-built and personal design section? Many thanks in advance :D

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Post subject: Re: Royal Netherlands Navy M-frigate replacement studyPosted: January 6th, 2017, 2:36 pm
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I found this
A probable upgrade ?
source : Dutch Defence Materiel Organisation
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Post subject: Re: Royal Netherlands Navy M-frigate replacement studyPosted: January 6th, 2017, 8:21 pm
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Colombamike wrote:
I found this
A probable upgrade ?
source : Dutch Defence Materiel Organisation
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Might be, seeing as how Belgium has gotten into this program as well. Anyway, my bet is that we won't know until another few years how it will look for sure.

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Post subject: Re: Royal Netherlands Navy M-frigate replacement studyPosted: January 6th, 2017, 9:08 pm
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A four-calendar-year thread bump. That's impressive even by Mike standards.

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