That's a very good work indeed!
(minus these details mentioned above
)Keep up the good work!
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| Author: | eswube [ February 14th, 2018, 9:08 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Minotaur ZA Scheme |
That's a very good work indeed! (minus these details mentioned above )Keep up the good work! |
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| Author: | Garlicdesign [ February 14th, 2018, 9:52 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Minotaur ZA Scheme |
Hello everyone! I have to concur, this is a splendidly executed drawing. I am no expert on British fire control gear, so ignore me if I talk gibberish, but with an all DP armament, the main directors look wrong; they resemble the battleship main artillery type. Shouldn't they be HA directors?? Greetings GD |
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| Author: | erik_t [ February 14th, 2018, 10:38 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Minotaur ZA Scheme |
Good catch. I am not sure exactly what is the right main battery director, but that seems like the wrong one. |
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| Author: | Krakatoa [ February 15th, 2018, 2:35 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Minotaur ZA Scheme |
Try something from here. ![[ img ]](https://www.dropbox.com/s/e15eqspmzl2kuz0/UK%20Post%20war.PNG?dl=1)
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| Author: | Deskjetser [ February 15th, 2018, 3:25 am ] | ||||
| Post subject: | Re: Minotaur ZA Scheme | ||||
Thank you all for your kind praise!  --- *snipped*
The early LRS-1 directors as shown on the John Roberts plan are on the RN Radar sheet, look for the Long-Range System (LRS-1) on the gunnery director column, its the one with the two dishes (shown face on). It is the same mount but the dishes hide the sloped sides of the central structure that Roberts shows.
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I did a bit more reading and from what I gather you're totally right; I feel a bit silly for not doing my research properly! I am no expert on British fire control gear, so ignore me if I talk gibberish, but with an all DP armament, the main directors look wrong; they resemble the battleship main artillery type. Shouldn't they be HA directors??  Since I have never seen these directors before, would it be acceptable to just plop them onto the mounts I already have for the directors, or would the mounts need re-profiling to be thinner? Also which of the LRS1 do I use? (examples below)![[ img ]](https://i.imgur.com/H1SSl5u.png) ![[ img ]](https://i.imgur.com/rzRjYcn.png) --- *snipped*
I’m not sure detailing the individual panels does anything for the drawing however, if you look at other drawings the majority they don’t have them I think it’s because it goes against the rules. Some shading and highlighting at the bow and stern would help in giving them depth. *snipped*
Yeah I know welding lines are not strictly necessary, however I felt it breaks up the vast open areas better. I left below the waterline free of them because I figured the paint used down there would be substantially thicker. From what others have said on the discord server, it seems to be either a love or hate affair! yeah, you would not be able to see those paneling from long distance. and the hull would be welded, so there would be no visual panneling  Also, yeah it could use some highlighting on the bow, I missed that. --- *snipped*
I will be reworking my colour palette for the next drawing since this is the same basic palette I used for Conqueror.My only minor suggestion would be to make the rigging color the same as the railing (right now it's kind of hard to see). --- *snipped*
Yeah, I went a bit ham with the portholes. Very nice work, although IMHO the number of portholes is somewhat anachronistic. It's worth noting that neither the Tigers nor Vanguard had portholes below the second deck. ---
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No idea! I'm curious to ask what you're going to do next, more proposals for the Minotaur or other designs entirely?  Glad it's been well received!
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| Author: | Hood [ February 15th, 2018, 9:19 am ] | ||
| Post subject: | Re: Minotaur ZA Scheme | ||
I did a bit more reading and from what I gather you're totally right; I feel a bit silly for not doing my research properly!
Use the one on the left hand side, that was the mount as planned. The one on the right is an experimental mount which was actually built for Type 901 radar trials, but lacking any optical system. Since I have never seen these directors before, would it be acceptable to just plop them onto the mounts I already have for the directors, or would the mounts need re-profiling to be thinner? Also which of the LRS1 do I use? (examples below)You could thin out the supporting tube, but given its bulk a thicker lower section makes sense. I think the mix of MRS-3 and CRBF is right, but I have noticed that the reversed aft-facing MRS-3 are incorrect, you've flipped the right-hand side but the left hand side is different. Both sides can be found on the sheet. As to portholes, you could also try out the newer 3x3 portholes and see how they look. Ship panel lines are love hate, I try to add a couple of horizontal deck lines when feasible for older riveted ships, but of course a welded ship like this would be pretty smooth. As its never-were its personal taste, I'd probably vote for a plain hull. |
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| Author: | Deskjetser [ February 16th, 2018, 7:13 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Minotaur ZA Scheme |
Very busy currently, but I updated the OP image. I'll also post it here. Thanks for the help! ![[ img ]](https://i.imgur.com/ngMapom.png)
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| Author: | Hood [ February 17th, 2018, 9:44 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Minotaur ZA Scheme |
Looking good. One last thought, it might be worth swapping those 20mm twins for 40mm Busters. The 40mm would fit better for the post-war role as I don't think the Navy would have bothered to fit 20mm at that late stage. |
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| Author: | Deskjetser [ February 18th, 2018, 6:57 pm ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Minotaur ZA Scheme |
Looking good.
Thanks! I think you're right; However I don't think there is a part for the BUSTER currently and the STAAGs are pretty massive to be open deck mounts? I don't think they would fit on the foc'sle and they look out of place on the stern, being such large mounts and all.One last thought, it might be worth swapping those 20mm twins for 40mm Busters. The 40mm would fit better for the post-war role as I don't think the Navy would have bothered to fit 20mm at that late stage. I really should delete them all together, since there is no mention of such armament on the scheme. I also updated both images again, since I forgot the draught marks and life rings. The final version is here now though!
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| Author: | adenandy [ February 19th, 2018, 2:55 am ] |
| Post subject: | Re: Minotaur ZA Scheme |
Lovely looking ship Deskjetser. Jolly well done my friend  I wonder what she would have looked like through the ages, after her refits and up grades... May one enquire if there are any plans afoot to publish modernisation plans over the years after the war please? During Korea for example, or the Falkands (if she were to be taken out of mothballs that is) 
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