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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: December 9th, 2014, 10:41 pm
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Perhaps shift some of the life rafts to the forward superstructure block? Otherwise it looks pretty reasonable.

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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: December 10th, 2014, 7:16 am
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She looks "empty". Perhaps some sort of TACAN, Link 11/16 antennas? The Korean DDG (KDXII) looks more "filled". Other systems I could intergrate to this ship? For Aegean and East Meditteranean in mind.

Any possible position for torpedo tubes? (Triple behind a cover (like Spruance) or twin like S-Class)

From D227 the Centurion Decoy launcher will be intergrated and retrofit in previous units.


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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: December 11th, 2014, 5:49 pm
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A blast from the past:

Hellenic Coast Guard (AU) roots go back in 1835, when the Port Police was established (under Ministry of Naval Affaires). However, sea protection/surveillance remained responsibility of Royal Hellenic Navy until 1919, when the the sea branch of Port Police was created. In 1923 all nesseceary personnel training was completed and duties of Sea Protection Command of Port Police were ready and became state law. The public name of the service was "Harbour Corps" (Λιμενικό Σώμα). Several ships were transefered from Navy, mostly obsolete "Atmodromon" types, built in 1880-1890. Hydroplanes from Naval Aviation stock were also transfered. The most significant transfer were the Maritime Fund for Sea Protection from RHN. In 1929 first pursuit boats appeared, designed by Alkiviades Zeis Shipyard. The smaller 7.5m launches were transfered by large vessels on davits, while larger 11m and 14.8m were based on ports near smugglers passage. Armament was usually suplus WW1 Swarzlose machine guns (6.5X54mm) or Lewis guns for hydroplanes. In early 1930's large seaplanes were purschased, Dornier Do16 and Blackburn/SHAF Seagull (based on Iris/Perth design). Some new patrol vessels entered service in lates 1920's and during 1930's.

Zeis 7.5m (1929 design)

7.5m X 2m X 0,7m, Ford I4 flathead engine 60hp (later V8 flathead 85hp), 25-30kn, two Swarzlose machine guns (one rear, one side opposite of driver)

Zeis 14.8m (1934 design)

14.8m X 3.8m X 1m, twin modified aero engines of 300-420hp, >30kn, three Swarzlose machine guns (one rear, one double mount front).

The 11m was for coastal patrol (beam 3.2m, draught 0.8m), twin Lycoming V8 marine engines, speed about 21-22kn, while the 14.8m led to the succesful Zeis Light Torpedo Boat of 1937.

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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: December 11th, 2014, 8:02 pm
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Nice!


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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: December 11th, 2014, 9:44 pm
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Are these real? If so, why not post them in Real Designs too? And, why not draw in FD-scale as well? They're actually pretty awesomely nifty. Like them!

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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: December 11th, 2014, 10:13 pm
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odysseus1980 wrote:
She looks "empty". Perhaps some sort of TACAN, Link 11/16 antennas? The Korean DDG (KDXII) looks more "filled". Other systems I could integrate to this ship? For Aegean and East Mediterranean in mind.

Any possible position for torpedo tubes? (Triple behind a cover (like Spruance) or twin like S-Class)

From D227 the Centurion Decoy launcher will be integrated and retrofit in previous units.

- TACAN is already present or at least something the same shape of it atop your main-mast
- Some sort of small and medium calibre CSWs (12.7mm - 30mm) To take on small craft and the like
- Rafts at the bridge, amidships and hangar in pairs of tripled compared to atop the hangar
- ECM of some description? Nettuno perhaps?
- EO surveillance gimbals (Selx SASS etc)
- Enclose the VLS a la T45?
- Boarding plank / ladder amidships or abaft the hangar?
- Exterior lighting?
- Helicopter approach / navigation radar aft
- Other varieties of SATCOM and Link-11/16 antennae
- Chined hull?
- Enclosed quarterdeck? (Pet hate but hey ho)

- SVTT wise I'd probably go for fixed twins in front of the hangar

- Spiffy.

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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: December 12th, 2014, 4:05 am
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bezobrazov wrote:
Are these real? If so, why not post them in Real Designs too? And, why not draw in FD-scale as well? They're actually pretty awesomely nifty. Like them!
I wish to, but unfortunately they are fictional. Glad to hear that I designed something so plausible and beautiful.


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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: December 13th, 2014, 6:56 pm
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Sneak Preview for an indigenous trainer: Drone tower AC-300D (this means no Yak-130, but I will do it for me and post it)

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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: December 15th, 2014, 2:17 am
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Do you intend to show some kind of examples of Greek made fighter aircrafts or helicopters?


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Post subject: Re: Hellenian KingdomPosted: December 15th, 2014, 7:37 am
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An small index of Hellenic developed fighters,helicopters and airliners in this AU (please not "Greek", real Greece and this AU share only area and language spoken, nothing else):

-Page 30, 31 : Fighters/Bombers (Cold War period)
-Page 50 : Ballistic Missiles and Space Program
-Page 58,59,69 Airliners
-Page 68 Helicopters
-Page 47 (Statistics of Hellenic Kingdom)

P.S The trainer above is new, developed in 2000's and is already in service with Royal Hellenic Air Force and Marines.


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