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Post subject: AU Erikrike 1930's Armoured CruiserPosted: August 25th, 2012, 1:26 pm
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Well, the idea behind this ship was essentially: Make the ideal stronger than faster/faster than stronger-ship for a small nation. It's of cource heavily based of the most succesfull class with that concept: The Deutschland class. At max deplacement it ends up just under 10 000t, so it's not ridiculously big(I point to the Ansaldo-ship NW of Sweden). It's armed with six 24cm(standard for Erikrike) rifles and has a speed of ca 27,5 knot. It's armour is on the thin side, with only 14,5cm belt, but with a 10cm deck and over 20cm in turrets.
I'm very happy with this design, the only thing that makes me even consider making it an actuall-built. Since this drawing is actually a few months old, I've just updated it for a bit, so there might be some errors. Just point them out as you see them. I'm also working on a bow perspective and a bird perspective drawing on this ship, which will hopefully be incorporated in a few days. Once I've made up my mind on the existant nature of this ship, I'll post the story. I'll also update it a bit with more details as soon as possible. In the meantime:
Hope you like it! :D
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I've also added the CoA, right here. I couldn't fit it in good with the main drawing, so I post it as it's own individual picture:
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Post subject: Re: AU Erikrike 1930's Armoured CruiserPosted: August 25th, 2012, 1:42 pm
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Impressive, KHT. Now, if you wouldn't be interested in doing a version of her with a true icebreaker bow, would you mind if I gave it a shot?

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Post subject: Re: AU Erikrike 1930's Armoured CruiserPosted: August 25th, 2012, 3:09 pm
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It's very nice, ellegant design (and it seems to be the case with many of Your drawings).
I just have one concern, namely apparent lack of aircraft hangar. I mean, since it's a rather northern country, the plane will be subjected to rather harsh conditions. A 1930s warship could be rather expected to be already designed with such feature from the beginning?
But generally I like it! :)


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Post subject: Re: AU Erikrike 1930's Armoured CruiserPosted: August 25th, 2012, 6:57 pm
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I 100% agree with eswube on all points. One nitpick though and maybe I'm wrong but isn't it more a battle cruiser than a armored cruiser as that term had fallen out of use by that time IIRC, or you could even call it a pocket battleship. I agree that it is essentially a 1930s armored cruiser so the designation may be still correct I'm just not aware of any new ships of the time period that carried such a designation.

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Post subject: Re: AU Erikrike 1930's Armoured CruiserPosted: August 25th, 2012, 8:17 pm
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bezobrazov wrote:
Impressive, KHT. Now, if you wouldn't be interested in doing a version of her with a true icebreaker bow, would you mind if I gave it a shot?
Thanks! :D And you be my guesst. :)
eswube wrote:
It's very nice, ellegant design (and it seems to be the case with many of Your drawings).
I just have one concern, namely apparent lack of aircraft hangar. I mean, since it's a rather northern country, the plane will be subjected to rather harsh conditions. A 1930s warship could be rather expected to be already designed with such feature from the beginning?
But generally I like it! :)
Well, the plane and catapult is mostly a "for but not with" addon. The plane and catapult is there to make it possible to use it as a scout, or optical director at long ranges. Also, several IRL Swedish NWs were projected with a crane and a plane, but no catapult neither a hangar. This is sort of a hanger-on to that concept.
But thanks! You are most kind who says that! :D
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I 100% agree with eswube on all points. One nitpick though and maybe I'm wrong but isn't it more a battle cruiser than a armored cruiser as that term had fallen out of use by that time IIRC, or you could even call it a pocket battleship. I agree that it is essentially a 1930s armored cruiser so the designation may be still correct I'm just not aware of any new ships of the time period that carried such a designation.
Well, the armoured cruiser thingy is, again, something that comes from Swedish NWs. Practically all larger Swedish NW-designs from 1920 has been named armoured cruisers internationally. I also consider it to be a bit small to be properly called a BC(It's even smaller than my old WW1-era armoured cruiser).

EDIT: So, does anyone have an oppinion on the "never-were/actuall-were" part of this ship?


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Post subject: Re: AU Erikrike 1930's Armoured CruiserPosted: August 26th, 2012, 2:22 am
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Quite a nice looking design I'll say, kinda reminds me of the proposal by Germany for a panzerschiffe design for Sieran that later evolved into the final class of gun equipped capital ships. I see they both have in common aircraft catapults but no hangars for them (something again that Sieran has done a lot as most ships were retrofits). I have a feeling that idealy you'd want at least another two secondary guns of around the 4in caliber to support your heavy guns and AA. After all, those heavy guns are going to have a longer reload time (something that proved an issue with the panzerschiffes, in particular the Graf Spee during her engagement with the RN) than their likely opponents.

I think with this design you could always have something that began construction but was cancelled either due to war or other issues? Sierans german-built panzerschiffe was cancelled after the Anschluss and increasing tensions between the now National Socialist Germany and the Socialist Republic of Sieran. In that instance the ship was taken over by the Kriegsmarine and taken into its own navy. I'm still working on its history after that.

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Post subject: Re: AU Erikrike 1930's Armoured CruiserPosted: August 26th, 2012, 3:22 pm
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What type of propulion plant? Would it be that of the Deutschland?


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Post subject: Re: AU Erikrike 1930's Armoured CruiserPosted: August 26th, 2012, 7:30 pm
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denodon wrote:
Quite a nice looking design I'll say, kinda reminds me of the proposal by Germany for a panzerschiffe design for Sieran that later evolved into the final class of gun equipped capital ships. I see they both have in common aircraft catapults but no hangars for them (something again that Sieran has done a lot as most ships were retrofits). I have a feeling that idealy you'd want at least another two secondary guns of around the 4in caliber to support your heavy guns and AA. After all, those heavy guns are going to have a longer reload time (something that proved an issue with the panzerschiffes, in particular the Graf Spee during her engagement with the RN) than their likely opponents.

I think with this design you could always have something that began construction but was cancelled either due to war or other issues? Sierans german-built panzerschiffe was cancelled after the Anschluss and increasing tensions between the now National Socialist Germany and the Socialist Republic of Sieran. In that instance the ship was taken over by the Kriegsmarine and taken into its own navy. I'm still working on its history after that.
Well,it's highly based of the Deutschland class(with a somewhat pagoda twist), so it comes of as somewhat natural.
And those are 4,7"/120mm DP guns. I'm planning on reinforcing the AA anyways, so I might add another pair of twins.
I belive one would be able to squeeze out about 3,5-4,5 RPM out of the main guns. The IRL 28,3cm M/12 of Sweden(design year 1912) was able to pull off 3-4 RPM, and that's with a heavier gun and 20 years worth off technological evolution.
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What type of propulion plant? Would it be that of the Deutschland?
Nope. Oil fired, steam turbines and geared drive, if I remember the SS report correctly.


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Post subject: Re: AU Erikrike 1930's Armoured CruiserPosted: August 27th, 2012, 12:01 am
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Ah alright. Just keep in mind that trials rates of fire never come close to those actually achieved in a combat situation. Even the most disciplined men cannot focus solely upon their jobs during the heat of battle and shock, blasts, injuries and the rest can reduce the performance of the crew somewhat. Then take into account mechanical issues such as incorrectly sealing breech, hoist issues, loss of power or gun laying trouble and quickly your RoF call fall.

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Post subject: Re: AU Erikrike 1930's Armoured CruiserPosted: August 27th, 2012, 10:13 am
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i like it.

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