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reytuerto
Post subject: Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2Posted: March 22nd, 2020, 2:51 pm
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Wow! The modification of the County is so radical tha I only can guess the hull and the forward funnel of it! And your modified Type 22 is very appealing! Excellent! Cheers!


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Post subject: Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2Posted: April 28th, 2020, 10:56 am
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Type 26 Fearless Class

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HMS Foxhound, 2020

In the late 1990s the search for a Type 22 and Type 23 replacement began as a new ASW and General Purpose Frigate. The planned Type 25 was cancelled but work continued on a less radical solution. The result was the Type 26, it had ancestry from the Type 23 but was heavily influenced by the development of the Type 45 destroyers and relies on the CAMM missile family to provide area and point defence and has a land attack capability with SCALP-M and Spear-ER missiles. Sixteen ships are planned for completion by 2025.

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I could not resist stealing Blackbuck's excellent latest stealth Type 23 development, it looked perfect for the job. I have made a few changes and tweaks to suit.

HMS Fearless F120 commissioned July 2016
HMS Foxhound F121 commissioned September 2017
HMS Firedrake F122 commissioned May 2018
HMS Fame F123 commissioned November 2018
HMS Fury F124 commissioned April 2019
HMS Fortune F125 commissioned November 2019
HMS Foremost F126 commissioned May 2020
HMS Faithful F127 commissioned October 2020
HMS Foil F128 commissioned April 2021
HMS Falmouth F129 commissioned December 2021
HMS Ferocious F130 commissioned May 2022
HMS Falkland F131 commissioned November 2022
HMS Fylde F132 commissioned March 2023
HMS Forth F133 commissioned October 2023
HMS Fox F134 commissioned April 2024
HMS Firebrand commissioned September 2024

Dimensions: 469ft 6in (oa), 437ft 6in (wl) length; 67ft beam; 17ft draught (over sonar dome), 14ft (hull).
Machinery: One 48,000shp Rolls-Royce MT30 gas turbines plus four MTU Type 20V 4000 M53B diesel generators, two electric motors
Speed: 31kts (deep and clean)
Range: 7,000 nautical miles at 18kts
Displacement: 6,750 tons standard
Armament:
1x 76mm OTO Super Rapid gun mount, fire-control by 1x EOGCS
2x4 container-launchers for Kongsberg NSM SSMs
2x8-cell Sylver A70 VLS for Naval-SCALP cruise-missiles or Sea Meteor SAMs
4x8-cell Sylver A50 VLS for quad-packed CAMM, CAMM-ER SAMs or quad-packed Spear-ER SSMs
2x1 30mm MSI-DSI Sigma 30 gun mounts - also fitted with 5-round Martlet anti-boat missiles
2x1 25mm MSI-DSI Sigma 25 gun mounts
1x Starstreak CIWS mounts with 24x Starstreak SAMs and/or Martlet SSMs
2x2 12.75in lightweight A/S torpedo tubes for Stingray
Aircraft:
Hangar for up to;
2x Westland Merlin HM.2 or 2x Leonardo Wildcat HM.2 or 2x Leonardo SW-4MU UCAV (capable of carrying out recon and strike using Martlet or Sea Venom ASMs)
Radars:
BAe Artisan 3-D search radar
1x Type 1009 navigation radars
4x Type 1010 phased-array surface search radars
4x Gatekeeper EO/IR sensors
Type 2091 bow-mounted multi-function sonar
Type 2087 towed sonar

EW/Defences:
Thales UAT(16) ESM
2x Type 2199 Pillbox EW jammers
6x MAWS/DAS
2x12 Centurion decoy launchers
1x8 Type 2170 UAD anti-torpedo decoy launchers
4x DLF(3) floating decoy launchers


Type 24 Eclipse Class
The littoral mission was handled by the Type 24 class which were updated during the 2010s with Artisan radar and received CAMM SAMs and Spear land-attack missiles replacing Sea Wolf and updated cannon and self-defence dispensers.
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Post subject: Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2Posted: April 28th, 2020, 3:31 pm
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How very humbling :oops:

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Post subject: Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2Posted: May 2nd, 2020, 10:55 am
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Type 25 Future Surface Combatant

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Developed during the late 1990s and early 2000s as an advanced replacement for the Type 22 and Type 44 frigates. The roles were for air defence, anti-ship, land-attack and expeditionary force support. The design was to be highly innovative with a trimaran hull, pumpjet propulsion and stealthy features. The layout gave a stable and compact platform, its width allowing hangars and internal boat bays as well as Sylver VLS launchers along the centreline. The flight deck was large enough to land a Chinook and could also be used to carry cargo containers. The combat system was based on that of the Type 45 and capability was very similar. This high-cost solution was approved in 1999 but cancelled in 2004 just before the first ship was due to be laid down and the cheaper Type 26 programme was brought into existence instead. Elements of the propulsion went into the Type 26 but rumours in 2020 were that a smaller derivative might replace the Type 24s in the late 2020s.

Dimensions: 410ft (oa), 381ft 6in (wl) length; 105ft beam; 22ft draught (over sonar dome), 15ft 6in (hull).
Machinery: One Rolls-Royce MT30 gas turbine plus four MTU diesel generators, four waterjets
Speed: 32kts (deep and clean)
Range: 7,000 nautical miles at 18kts
Displacement: 6,500 tons standard
Armament:
1x 76mm OTO Super Rapid gun mount, fire-control by 1x Lirod Mk.2
2x4 container-launchers for Harpoon SSMs
4x8-cell Sylver A70 VLS for Naval-SCALP cruise-missiles or Aster SAMs
4x8-cell Sylver A50 VLS for quad-packed CAMM, CAMM-ER SAMs or quad-packed Spear-ER SSMs
4x1 30mm MSI-DSI 30 gun mounts
2x1 25mm MSI-DSI Sigma 25 gun mounts
2x Starstreak CIWS mounts with 24x Starstreak SAMs
2x2 12.75in lightweight A/S torpedo tubes for Stingray
Aircraft:
Hangar for up to;
2x Westland Merlin HM.2 or 2x Leonardo Wildcat HM.2

Radars:
BAe Sampson multi-function radar
1x Type 1009 navigation radars
4x Type 1010 phased-array surface search radars
4x Gatekeeper EO/IR sensors
Type 2091 bow-mounted multi-function sonar
Type 2087 towed sonar

EW/Defences:
Thales UAT(16) ESM
1x Type 2199 Pillbox EW jammer
2x Seagnat decoy launchers
4x DLF(3) floating decoy launchers

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Post subject: Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2Posted: May 4th, 2020, 7:30 am
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Been on somewhat of a frigate roll lately!

This class is the real Nakhoda Ragam class rejected by Brunei. I thought what-if instead of BAE Systems winning the arbitration and forcing Brunei to take the ships to sell them on, that BAE took possession and the RN acquired them cheap as patrol frigates?
The result would not be as effective as a Type 23 or even a late Type 22 but it would have offered decent enough capability despite the use of commercial systems. In my AU they finally get CAMM and Artisan and upgraded ESM. Nothing fancy but they are perhaps similar in concept to the Type 81 Tribals and would have been useful for patrol purposes.

Type 83 Class

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HMS Plymouth, 2007

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HMS Weymouth, 2019

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Post subject: Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2Posted: May 5th, 2020, 10:53 am
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Hood wrote: *
This class is the real Nakhoda Ragam class rejected by Brunei. I thought what-if instead of BAE Systems winning the arbitration and forcing Brunei to take the ships to sell them on, that BAE took possession and the RN acquired them cheap as patrol frigates?
The result would not be as effective as a Type 23 or even a late Type 22 but it would have offered decent enough capability despite the use of commercial systems. In my AU they finally get CAMM and Artisan and upgraded ESM. Nothing fancy but they are perhaps similar in concept to the Type 81 Tribals and would have been useful for patrol purposes.
Type 83 Class
@Hood,
knowing the influence of BAE system on all British defense (since 20+ years :roll: ), on your 2 drawings you can replace the Italian 76mm (second-hand mount in 2007 ?)...by...the BAE Bofor 57mm ;)


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erik_t
Post subject: Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2Posted: May 5th, 2020, 1:52 pm
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The Type 25 is delightful, but (sorry!) an unconventional layout like this screams out for a top view :)


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Post subject: Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2Posted: May 17th, 2020, 8:57 am
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Excellent additions!


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TallBox
Post subject: Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2Posted: May 27th, 2020, 3:07 am
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Fantastic work, Hood!


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Post subject: Re: Alternate Royal Navy #2Posted: May 27th, 2020, 3:12 am
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Hood wrote: *
Type 25 Future Surface Combatant

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Developed during the late 1990s and early 2000s as an advanced replacement for the Type 22 and Type 44 frigates. The roles were for air defence, anti-ship, land-attack and expeditionary force support. The design was to be highly innovative with a trimaran hull, pumpjet propulsion and stealthy features. The layout gave a stable and compact platform, its width allowing hangars and internal boat bays as well as Sylver VLS launchers along the centreline. The flight deck was large enough to land a Chinook and could also be used to carry cargo containers. The combat system was based on that of the Type 45 and capability was very similar. This high-cost solution was approved in 1999 but cancelled in 2004 just before the first ship was due to be laid down and the cheaper Type 26 programme was brought into existence instead. Elements of the propulsion went into the Type 26 but rumours in 2020 were that a smaller derivative might replace the Type 24s in the late 2020s.

Dimensions: 410ft (oa), 381ft 6in (wl) length; 105ft beam; 22ft draught (over sonar dome), 15ft 6in (hull).
Machinery: One Rolls-Royce MT30 gas turbine plus four MTU diesel generators, four waterjets
Speed: 32kts (deep and clean)
Range: 7,000 nautical miles at 18kts
Displacement: 6,500 tons standard
Armament:
1x 76mm OTO Super Rapid gun mount, fire-control by 1x Lirod Mk.2
2x4 container-launchers for Harpoon SSMs
4x8-cell Sylver A70 VLS for Naval-SCALP cruise-missiles or Aster SAMs
4x8-cell Sylver A50 VLS for quad-packed CAMM, CAMM-ER SAMs or quad-packed Spear-ER SSMs
4x1 30mm MSI-DSI 30 gun mounts
2x1 25mm MSI-DSI Sigma 25 gun mounts
2x Starstreak CIWS mounts with 24x Starstreak SAMs
2x2 12.75in lightweight A/S torpedo tubes for Stingray
Aircraft:
Hangar for up to;
2x Westland Merlin HM.2 or 2x Leonardo Wildcat HM.2

Radars:
BAe Sampson multi-function radar
1x Type 1009 navigation radars
4x Type 1010 phased-array surface search radars
4x Gatekeeper EO/IR sensors
Type 2091 bow-mounted multi-function sonar
Type 2087 towed sonar

EW/Defences:
Thales UAT(16) ESM
1x Type 2199 Pillbox EW jammer
2x Seagnat decoy launchers
4x DLF(3) floating decoy launchers
I love the concept, but I kind of feel if you're going Trimaran - and with the amount of kit you've packed in (big AESA, 64 VLS, large hangar) - why not go for a 150-180m (OA) / 8,000-11,000t ship?

I could imagine (in an AU), the RN committing to 12 of these but ending up with 3 once they realised how horrifically expensive they were.


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