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RegiaMarina1939
Post subject: Re: Communist Community of Caribbean Nations!Posted: March 3rd, 2017, 12:06 pm
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-What do y'all think? Should the CCCN intervene in the Nicaraguan Civil War? Reply with your concerns and comments!
In one word: YES
If they are still aligned with Moscow and the Comintern, and are powerful enough to avoid Cuba's dismal fate, I don't see how they could justify not supporting a fellow Communist government against a reactionary guerilla in their own backyard.
How far the CCCN and the USA would have pushed on and turned this into a full-on proxy war or large-scale flashpoint before resorting to diplomacy is another matter.

The only reason why the CCCN could not intervene in Nicaragua is IMHO if they consider the Sandinistas the wrong flavor of leftists (whichever flavor of leftists you set out to make the CCCN at any given time), like the USSR did with the Spanish Republicans during the civil war, or what drove China and Yugoslavia away from them. Even then, I would expect some smaller-scale covert support and funneling of funds, operatives and volunteers, if only to keep the Yankees busy.

In AU terms, a better question could be how many Nicaragua-like situations could have arisen earlier in the century across the Americas, and with which outcome?

-I was thinking more like this: A CCCN warship is fired upon while anchored in a Nicaraguan harbor, some sailors are killed. The CCCN, already itching to involve itself, sends helicopters, aircraft, and a whole landing fleet to occupy key ports on the coast and deny the Contras of arms shipments and supplies.

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Post subject: Re: Communist Community of Caribbean Nations!Posted: March 3rd, 2017, 11:39 pm
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So you would do like a giant support mission for example like russia is doing in syria?

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Post subject: Re: Communist Community of Caribbean Nations!Posted: March 4th, 2017, 12:04 am
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So you would do like a giant support mission for example like russia is doing in syria?
"Giant" Implies over 50,000 men. I intend to send about half of that. Involvement will be rather limited besides the opening phases and after the objectives have been taken.

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Post subject: Re: Communist Community of Caribbean Nations!Posted: March 4th, 2017, 2:56 pm
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-Preliminary report for the first version of my cruiser. Jumping back a few years, it will be refitted as a missile cruiser later on.


Mar Caribe, CCCN Cruiser laid down 1946 (Engine 1944)

Displacement:
12,611 t light; 13,045 t standard; 15,000 t normal; 16,564 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
600.00 ft / 600.00 ft x 68.00 ft x 27.00 ft (normal load)
182.88 m / 182.88 m x 20.73 m x 8.23 m

Armament:
12 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (4x3 guns), 121.00lbs / 54.88kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, evenly spread, all raised mounts - superfiring
12 - 2.24" / 57.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 5.65lbs / 2.56kg shells, 1946 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
16 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
16 - 0.91" / 23.0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 0.37lbs / 0.17kg shells, 1946 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,550 lbs / 703 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 150
8 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 9.90 ft / 3.02 m
Ends: 1.50" / 38 mm 209.98 ft / 64.00 m 9.90 ft / 3.02 m
Upper: 2.00" / 51 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
0.50" / 13 mm 390.00 ft / 118.87 m 23.09 ft / 7.04 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 6.50" / 165 mm 6.00" / 152 mm 6.00" / 152 mm

- Armour deck: 2.50" / 64 mm, Conning tower: 7.00" / 178 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 123,136 shp / 91,860 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 9,000nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,520 tons

Complement:
677 - 881

Cost:
£7.290 million / $29.158 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 174 tons, 1.2 %
Armour: 3,139 tons, 20.9 %
- Belts: 1,027 tons, 6.8 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 167 tons, 1.1 %
- Armament: 623 tons, 4.2 %
- Armour Deck: 1,231 tons, 8.2 %
- Conning Tower: 92 tons, 0.6 %
Machinery: 3,144 tons, 21.0 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 6,153 tons, 41.0 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,389 tons, 15.9 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
19,351 lbs / 8,777 Kg = 179.2 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 2.9 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.16
Metacentric height 3.7 ft / 1.1 m
Roll period: 14.9 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 40 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.23
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.64

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.477
Length to Beam Ratio: 8.82 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 24.49 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 59 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 26.94 ft / 8.21 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 17.15 ft / 5.23 m
- Mid (50 %): 17.15 ft / 5.23 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 17.15 ft / 5.23 m
- Stern: 17.15 ft / 5.23 m
- Average freeboard: 17.93 ft / 5.47 m

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 110.3 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 111.1 %
Waterplane Area: 26,620 Square feet or 2,473 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 139 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 145 lbs/sq ft or 707 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.23
- Longitudinal: 1.62
- Overall: 1.26
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is adequate
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

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Post subject: Re: Communist Community of Caribbean Nations!Posted: March 6th, 2017, 2:29 am
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-Revised version, based on the WIP I have right now. Pretty sure stability flaws are inevitable at this point. Stronger AA battery might be included at some point... dunno. Any ideas/comments/concerns?


Mar Caribe, Caribbean Cruiser laid down 1946

Displacement:
9,070 t light; 9,484 t standard; 11,201 t normal; 12,575 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
550.00 ft / 550.00 ft x 54.00 ft x 24.00 ft (normal load)
167.64 m / 167.64 m x 16.46 m x 7.32 m

Armament:
9 - 6.00" / 152 mm guns (3x3 guns), 108.00lbs / 48.99kg shells, 1938 Model
Breech loading guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, majority forward, all raised mounts - superfiring
6 - 3.35" / 85.0 mm guns in single mounts, 18.74lbs / 8.50kg shells, 1939 Model
Dual purpose guns in deck mounts
on side, all amidships, all raised mounts - superfiring
4 - 1.46" / 37.0 mm guns (2x2 guns), 1.55lbs / 0.70kg shells, 1939 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
12 - 0.98" / 25.0 mm guns (6x2 guns), 0.48lbs / 0.22kg shells, 1940 Model
Anti-aircraft guns in deck mounts
on side, evenly spread, all raised mounts
Weight of broadside 1,096 lbs / 497 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 300
6 - 21.0" / 533.4 mm above water torpedoes

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 4.00" / 102 mm 357.50 ft / 108.97 m 8.82 ft / 2.69 m
Ends: 1.50" / 38 mm 192.48 ft / 58.67 m 8.82 ft / 2.69 m
Upper: 1.00" / 25 mm 357.50 ft / 108.97 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m
Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
Main belt does not fully cover magazines and engineering spaces

- Torpedo Bulkhead:
1.00" / 25 mm 357.50 ft / 108.97 m 22.03 ft / 6.71 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 7.00" / 178 mm 6.50" / 165 mm 6.00" / 152 mm

- Armour deck: 2.00" / 51 mm, Conning tower: 7.50" / 191 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 95,465 shp / 71,217 Kw = 32.00 kts
Range 9,500nm at 18.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 3,090 tons

Complement:
543 - 707

Cost:
£5.434 million / $21.737 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 137 tons, 1.2 %
Armour: 2,349 tons, 21.0 %
- Belts: 738 tons, 6.6 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 291 tons, 2.6 %
- Armament: 472 tons, 4.2 %
- Armour Deck: 767 tons, 6.8 %
- Conning Tower: 81 tons, 0.7 %
Machinery: 2,384 tons, 21.3 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 4,199 tons, 37.5 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,131 tons, 19.0 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
13,704 lbs / 6,216 Kg = 126.9 x 6.0 " / 152 mm shells or 2.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.10
Metacentric height 2.4 ft / 0.7 m
Roll period: 14.7 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 38 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.35
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 0.57

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck
Block coefficient: 0.550
Length to Beam Ratio: 10.19 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 23.45 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 60 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 0.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = measuring location as a percentage of overall length):
- Stem: 25.80 ft / 7.86 m
- Forecastle (20 %): 16.42 ft / 5.00 m
- Mid (50 %): 16.42 ft / 5.00 m
- Quarterdeck (15 %): 16.42 ft / 5.00 m
- Stern: 16.42 ft / 5.00 m
- Average freeboard: 17.17 ft / 5.23 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 127.4 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 102.8 %
Waterplane Area: 20,727 Square feet or 1,926 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 136 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 120 lbs/sq ft or 586 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.18
- Longitudinal: 1.44
- Overall: 1.21
Hull space for machinery, storage, compartmentation is cramped
Room for accommodation and workspaces is adequate
Caution: Lacks seaworthiness - very limited seakeeping ability

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Post subject: Re: Communist Community of Caribbean Nations!Posted: March 6th, 2017, 2:49 am
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-Current WIP based on GarlicDesign's cruiser from the Thiaria AU. Still might change the funnel to something else, and the armament is not finalized. To be honest, nothing is final.

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Post subject: Re: Communist Community of Caribbean Nations!Posted: March 6th, 2017, 2:51 am
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Does it look resized at all? It does for me. I might change to a different image host since photobucket doesn't like big ships. Probably dropbox is the best choice.

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Post subject: Re: Communist Community of Caribbean Nations!Posted: March 6th, 2017, 3:07 am
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It is an interesting WIP whatever the final result will be. Nice beginning.


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Post subject: Re: Communist Community of Caribbean Nations!Posted: March 11th, 2017, 12:32 am
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The Mar Caribe-class light cruisers

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Design and Construction: In 1944, the navy was looking to acquire surface vessels that were powerful enough to contend with modern designs from around the world. In the mid-30's, CCCN naval designers had produced a design based around a 3 x 3 layout of 6-inch pattern 1938 guns. The design team assembled in the late 1940's had adapted this design to 2 different versions. Option A had 12 6-inch pieces in a 4 x 3 arrangement, while Option B went for the more conventional 3 x 3 layout. The dockyards at the time could handle ships up to 15,000 tons, which is how much Option A weighed, but there were no repair dry-docks capable of handling anything above 13,500. Therefore, option B was chosen, and minor design changes were introduced. In total, 3 ships of the class were to be laid down, 2 in Port-Au-Prince and 1 in Havana. The majority were laid down in Hispaniola to take advantage of the huge armaments complex in Santo Domingo. The plan was to fit the 2 ships building in Haiti with guns shipped by rail from the foundries, and then sail the third unit from Havana after it came of the slipways to receive it's complement of guns. However, the navy had seriously underestimated the amount of time it would take to manufacture and ship the guns, turrets, and armor plating, and the ships were still building when the war ended in 1945. They were finally fitted with guns and turrets in 1946, but no armor had been produced in suitable amounts, so only the turrets, conning tower, and deck initially received their plating. The ship in Havana had been fitted with engines and boilers, but it was moored at a floating dock awaiting the completion of the other two units before it could be towed to Haiti. More issues surfaced when the navy cut it's budget even further after the war. The two units building in Haiti were finished by 1947, and the unit building in Havana was just entering the dry-dock to be fitted with the next batch of guns and turrets. By 1950, all of them were commissioned and in service. They were on par with nearly every cruiser design around the world, but encountered serious stability issues in rough weather.

Armament: The main battery was a very hotly-debated subject during the construction and design phase. There were various parties vying for supremacy over the design, including those that wanted to mount a pair of quad turrets carrying American-made weapons, and those who wanted to use captured weapons from Germany and Japan. However, there was really no question as to which faction would win; The Russians made serious efforts to sell the design for their M1938 Pattern 152-millimeter naval gun to the navy. They naturally obliged, and the plans for the gun were transferred to the ordnance department in preparation for production. In total, 6 x 85-millimeter Russian-type guns were provided for dual-purpose actions, firing a locally-developed fragmentation rounds that were reported to have a favorable effect on aerial targets. As far as light flak was concerned, the vessels came with a comprehensive array of artillery. This included a pair of 37-millimeter semi-automatic guns placed on platforms aft, and 9 x 2 mountings for 25-millimeter guns. These were of the same model in service with the Russian navy, and had a good rate of fire coupled with decent range and accuracy. A pair of triple 21-inch torpedo tubes were considered, but were dropped from the design after the budget cuts and the unjustified expense it would take to import the plans from Russia. Mountings were, however, provided for additional tubes in case they were to be fitted at an alternative time, though none ever were.

Propulsion: The Mar Caribe-class were designed around a new locally-developed lightweight powerplant intended to provide up to 95,000 horsepower. The plant consisted of a pair of turbines manufactured in Havana, powered by 8 x Yarrow 3-drum type boilers burning oil. The plant was geared to two shafts, with a turbine driving each one, powered by four boilers in a room behind the turbine compartment. Each compartment had watertight doors and pumping gear in it. Instead of Yarrow boilers, the last ship (Cuba) was fitted with locally made boilers with experimental superheating/pressure-firing gear for additional power output. It proved successful and was fitted to many steam-powered vessels in the future. During trials they made nearly 36 knots, but during typical service they made a maximum of 32 knots.

Armor and protection: Besides the main armament, armor was also a big issue during the construction and design phase. Initially, a belt of up to 5 1/2" was planned, but the nation proved unable to manufacture suitable plates that didn't crack or display poor protective qualities. During testing, it was shown that some of the new plates produced in the nation were able to be penetrated even by a mere 3 or 4-inch piece! Thus, only a small quality of high-tensile strength steel was produced rather than the experimental armor that had been planned. It displayed much better qualities, and ultimately a 2 1/2 belt was fitted to the last vessel only. Otherwise, the first two ships carried armor only on their conning tower, deck, and turrets. This armor was, of course, not the experimental kind, and had been imported from foreign contractors in Asia, South America, and Eastern Europe to a design from the Soviet Union. Some was manufactured locally, but not enough to armor the entirety of the ship.

Service History All units were in commission by 1951, and served varying duties with the home fleet. These included patrols between Cuba and Florida, over the course of which they had several run-ins with American ships and Helicopters. Otherwise, they mostly just patrolled and escorted high-value cargo and targets. They were laid up in Havana, before they were slated for a major reconstruction in 1985, and in this form their service lives would be much more exciting...

-Next up: the refitted version of this cruiser, intervention in Nicaragua history and even a national map for the front page!

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CURSE YOU DROPBOX!!!

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