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Argentina and the Malvinas 1939-40
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Author:  Krakatoa [ January 29th, 2017, 7:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina and the Malvinas
Actually JSB you can remove 5 of those ships you have for Argentina, The old Von der Tann, two Helgoland, and 2 Kaiser class, all are classed as Training ships by Treaty definition. That they are still available for use is like some of the other old ships scattered around the world (Schlessien and Schleswig-Holstein come to mind), they are there but don't have much military value.

Argentina is fully aware that it cannot beat the Royal Navy. It does not need to if the Germans and then Italians siphon off bits of the RN/Commonwealth forces. Argentina will only ever need to defend itself against a part of the RN. That that part of the RN is still going to probably beat the Argentines is just how it is. If I had made the Argentine ships more capable, bigger, better armed then they would have fuelled an even bigger South American arms race than what happened. What actually starts this race off is the UK paying off its debts to Chile by supplying them with a fleet centered around the 3 ex-King George V 13.5" BB's, CL's, and DD's, for the Canada and Eagle, which become the centrepiece of the new South African Navy. Brazil chimes in with the 4 Orions and Erin, and build/convert an ex-Izmail to a carrier. Also a quick and dirty conversion of a St Vincent to a training carrier. Argentina keeps buying ex-German ships to counter all these purchases/gifts. So there is plenty of ships around South America and from the Commonwealth forces from Australis and South Africa that could probably beat Argentina without any of the RN ships being required. But the RN will want to have a say in the retaking and it would be British boots that retake the land. Where I give Argentina an edge over its other South American rivals is the ability to build more ships in-house rather than buy them in from overseas which Chile and Brazil would have to do.
Author:  Tobius [ January 29th, 2017, 5:42 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina and the Malvinas
Krakatoa wrote:
If you have had a look at the offsite website, then you will realise that Solarium AU is very well advanced.
No justified social or industrial path?
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What Tobius has not noticed is that all of those people he goes on about do not exist. The USA does not exist. Actually the Washington Treaty does not exist. It is the Geneva Arms Limitation Treaty. All of the rubbish you have banged on about is solely in your imagination. It is hard for the US to be hostile if it does not exist.
Have you READ Harry Turtledove? Your departure point and his are identical. The result has to be a hostile United States.
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Referring everything back to the Real Time Line, presupposes that any part of that history exists. The moment I gave you the link to the full offsite address, everybody should have stopped mouthing off and gone and found out what the parameters for further discussion might be.
Unless your departure point is 1792, the whole house of cards collapses.

Incidentally I pointed out that there was no Mahan, Colbert and no Fisher, However for the British carrier redos, there has to be a Eugene Ely, a Glenn Curtiss, a William Moffett, a George Cockburn et al. You don't get proper through deck British flattops without them.
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Do any of you realise that the figures you are quoting at me, 400,000 tons (actually less than 200,000), 3 carriers, do not happen instantly? The period those ships I have chosen to share the drawings of reflect the period 1919-1939.
A carrier will not be decommissioned during any battleship holiday. The economics do not justify laying it up.
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Quite frankly I do not give a toss for your comments unless they are about the ship drawings I have posted.
I have chosen to let others speak about the drawings, but if you insist on technical criticism, your islands and gun placements foul take off and land on runs and eat up hardstand space.
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I got told off by the powers that be for having a go at other peoples concepts of reality in their Alternate Realities. The same applies here.
That is a fair point. (See below.) I have not been told this. Just that my rendition skills are subpar. (See below.)
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Actually Tobius you are banned from commenting in any thread that I may create now or in the future. Your sort of know-it-all posting just pisses people off. We do not have to justify ourselves to you. Stick to your cartoon thread.
Okay. Again fair enough.
Author:  RegiaMarina1939 [ January 29th, 2017, 11:03 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina and the Malvinas
I think we might need to settle down here to avoid any unfortunate confrontations...
Author:  Colosseum [ February 1st, 2017, 7:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina and the Malvinas
Yeah, come on. No one should be banning people from commenting in threads (that's the admins' job) and let's try to be civil here... I know it's difficult for a lot of us...
Author:  Krakatoa [ March 16th, 2017, 7:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina and the Malvinas
The pot calling the kettle black Colo?

All I am posting here is the drawings. To read the blurb and stats you will have to visit my site ( www.alternateuniversewarships.com )

This site costs me $15 per year (for the domain name) and provides 1TB of space. So it could be used, as noted by Colo, for hosting drawings. I still use dropbox for Shipbucket as I like the 'update' drawing facility.

The Light Cruisers

ARA Bahia Blanca.

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ARA Formosa

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ARA Rawson

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ARA Jaguar

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ARA Ushuaia

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ARA Rosario

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ARA Belgrano

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ARA Neuquen

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Author:  Colosseum [ March 16th, 2017, 7:45 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina and the Malvinas
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The pot calling the kettle black Colo?
Yes, absolutely. Hence the "I know it is difficult for a lot of us" remark. Nobody is perfect (least of all me) but as an admin it's my job to try to remind people to be civil to one another. I'm human just like the rest of us.
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All I am posting here is the drawings. To read the blurb and stats you will have to visit my site ( alternateuniversewarships.com )
I don't want it to seem like I'm targeting you (because I'm not), but I think this statement goes a bit against our fifth forum rule. Withholding content with the intent of driving views to an offsite page is a violation of the spirit of that rule. I would just post the descriptions here in quote boxes to allow casual forum users to read what was written - then (in my opinion) providing the link to your own page for additional information is much more acceptable.
Author:  Krakatoa [ March 17th, 2017, 2:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina and the Malvinas
The problem I have is all the stats for the various ships are in tables on each htm page on my site - as you are aware Shipbucket does not like having tables being copied into it. The tables are removed and a mishmash of characters results. I have quite a bit of info in tabs which disappear when copied into SB also.

I am not trying to break the 5th rule on purpose. I have no advertising or any other irritating bits and pieces on my site.

If you would rather I did not advise people where they can find the rest of the info for the drawings then I will remove the site name and only post the drawings.
Author:  Colosseum [ March 17th, 2017, 3:28 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina and the Malvinas 1939-40
Ah, no, now that you've explained why you haven't posted it, it makes perfect sense to me. ;)
Author:  DG_Alpha [ March 18th, 2017, 8:22 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina and the Malvinas 1939-40
All together some very interesting designs. I like the modernisation you come up with.

A small note: The bow of your Belgrano-class still has the Leipzig's crest remaining. You might want to change that.
Author:  Krakatoa [ March 18th, 2017, 12:26 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Argentina and the Malvinas 1939-40
Thanks for the info on the crest DG_Alpha - fixed.
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