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Post subject: Re: Dominion of Newfoundland and LabradorPosted: April 1st, 2018, 5:07 pm
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So I tried my hand at producing a replenishment tender for my fleet, and this is the result.

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HMNFS Labrador, 2011

The Labrador class is a single-ship class designed the support the RNFN as well as NATO and allied fleets. Intended to replace older, modified tenders that had served the RNFN, they were designed to serve in the North Atlantic, but have served as far afield as the coast of Somalia with NATO Anti-Piracy patrols. Also used for humanitarian assistance and disaster relief, as was demonstrated with assistance rendered after Hurricane Igor in 2010.

Relatively well armed, as a result of her service in the Gulf of Aden, they carry 2 30mm and 2 20mm guns, which can be supplemented with an additional CIWS if needed.

My first attempt at an auxiliary vessel, I took inspiration from the German Elbe tender and American Henry J Kaiser class AOR. I've really wanted to give my AU fleet a more realistic and fleshed out inventory.

As its a first attempt, any feedback is more than welcome.


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Post subject: Re: Dominion of Newfoundland and LabradorPosted: April 1st, 2018, 6:40 pm
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Nice work, but is seems to me that the propeller is too large, while the stern look to be too shallow.
Other than that it looks plausible, and a small enough ship for a small navy.

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Post subject: Re: Dominion of Newfoundland and LabradorPosted: April 2nd, 2018, 11:28 am
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Thanks for the feedback. Can't imagine how I missed that scale myself. Updated it with a new stern to hopefully make it seem more balanced.


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Post subject: Re: Dominion of Newfoundland and LabradorPosted: April 10th, 2018, 2:52 pm
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So, the first step in addiction is admitting you have a problem. I have a problem. I cannot stop tinkering with ideas for surface combatants for my navy. I do believe this time however that I have done it for the last time, as now I'm going to review the lot of 'em and then pick one set for my re-post of my whole fleet now in the coming weeks. And not a moment too soon, because for every other ship (like my AOR or OPV) that I get done, I've got four or five of these blasted frigates/corvettes kicking about. Maddening I say, maddening :shock: .

That being said, I blame Hood. Because just when I think I'm out, Hood will post a new design for the alternate RN that gives me two ideas, and I run with it. *fist shake*

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HMNFS Avalon, 1965

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HMNFS Avalon, 1980

The Avalon class were Newfoundland's first post-war frigate, designed to replace the WWII vintage destroyers in service. Designed as ASW boats, they were armed with some then-new weapon systems but were specifically intended to be solely ASW escorts and patrol-hunters, with only a passing secondary general-purpose design.

Armed with a 3" main gun, their main armament when launched were their Limbo ASW mortar and two twin Bidder torpedoes, as well as the capability to carrying an embarked helicopter. Secondaries included two triple SeaCat launchers mounted on extended decks over the Bidder tubes, and two single 40mm Bofors AA guns.

By the end of their service life, they had received some small modifications. The Limbo was removed to allow a quad SeaCat launcher to be mounted on the enclosed deck housing. The Bidders were replaced with two triple torpedo launchers. And the original SeaCat mountings were removed to allow four boxed Ikara launchers to be mounted. The first ship entered service in 1965, and the last left in 1992.

HMNFS Avalon
HMNFS Burin
HMNFS Bonavista
HMNFS Humber


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HMNFS Beaumont Hamel, 1991

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HMNFS Beaumont Hamel, 2011

The replacements for the Avalon class were the more modern Beaumont Hamel class GP frigates. Designed to serve as a more well rounded frigate with an ASW focus, and named for WWI battles of the Royal Newfoundland Regiment, these ships shared many design cues from the Type 21 and Type 22 frigates of the RN.

As launched they carried a single-arm Sea Wolf AA missile launcher on the bow, behind a 3" Oto Melara main gun. The four boxed Ikara launchers were repurposed from the Avalons due to a delay in the development of the Narwhal ASW missile. Additional weapons included two triple torpedo launchers for the Stingray, two 20mm Oerlikon autocannons, and a single Phalanx CIWS. The latter was a last minute design addition due to lessons learned from the RN in the Falklands, and the US and RN fleets in the Persian Gulf War.

They have had a long and hard working career, and are currently in service with the RNFN awaiting their long-delayed replacements to enter service. Upgrades to the ship's weapons include the addition of the Harpoon ASuW and Narwhal ASW missiles, and upgrades to the Phalanx CIWS. Good sea-keeping boats and popular with their crews, they are the pride of the RNFN.

HMNFS Beaumont Hamel
HMNFS Gallipoli
HMNFS Cambrai


I'm going to buckle down and get the remainder of my fleet, as well as some WWII vintage ships, uploaded before my mind wanders back to the cold-war and early-modern vintage. If I try to upload new designs from that time...please smack me :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Dominion of Newfoundland and LabradorPosted: April 10th, 2018, 4:23 pm
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I'm instant fan of Avalon class.

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Post subject: Re: Dominion of Newfoundland and LabradorPosted: April 11th, 2018, 8:15 am
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Happy to be of service in giving you inspiration! ;)

I really like both designs, they have nice lines.
My only slight nitpick would be the location of the triple SeaCat launchers on the Avalon. They would be quite hemmed in by the ship's boat and the hangar so would be only effective for beam-on arcs (perhaps 70-60 degrees arc). I'd be tempted to move the davits forwards a few feet.

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Post subject: Re: Dominion of Newfoundland and LabradorPosted: April 11th, 2018, 2:16 pm
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Hood wrote: *
Happy to be of service in giving you inspiration! ;)

I really like both designs, they have nice lines.
My only slight nitpick would be the location of the triple SeaCat launchers on the Avalon. They would be quite hemmed in by the ship's boat and the hangar so would be only effective for beam-on arcs (perhaps 70-60 degrees arc). I'd be tempted to move the davits forwards a few feet.
Inspiration, enabling, all the same :lol:

And duly noted on the davits. Edited them by moving them forward just a bit.


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Post subject: Re: Dominion of Newfoundland and LabradorPosted: April 28th, 2018, 10:27 am
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So I've hit a snag with my WW2 vintage ships for my early fleet (cut my teeth on modern ships, so the differing lines and details of war-era ships are more of a challenge) so I took a day and finished off my new frigate concept for the RNFN.

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HMS Dominion, 2018

The long sought after, and long delayed, replacement for the Beaumont Hamel class: the Sovereign class. Originally conceived as the fleets frigate replacements in 2005, they suffered a long and tortuous development process as various governments changed the intent, specifications, and budgets for the ships resulting in a prolonged services life for their predecessors.

The Sovereigns that were produced however were considered a success by the RNFN and are considered by their fleet as one of the finest classes of ship in the world. Designed as GP/ASW escort (as with so many of the RNFN ships) it was specified to continue Newfoundland's history of having capable sea-boats with a good balance of armaments and capabilities for changing natures of engagement. Their armaments consists of a 76-mm Oto Melara main gun, supplemented by an 8-cell Mk41 VLS. The VLS can carry the CAMM, or Sea Ceptor, AAW and once produced the RNFN will also obtain the Sea Ceptor-ER. Also pictured is the latest weapon in their inventory, the Narwhal Mk3, which is the VLS version of the capable ASW missile. Carrying a small torpedo with a more limited range once-at-target, it carries a more sophisticated seeker and is considered much more capable than the Narwhal Mk2 missiles retained in the quad Harpoon launcher. (The Narwhal Mk3 was produced jointly with Canada and Norway, and all are hopeful of export orders).

Finally fleshing out the ships are two twin torpedo launchers, a Phalanx CIWS, a Centurion decoy launcher, and an anti-torpedo counter-measure launcher. The ships also feature large work hangars that typically carry the ships RHIB, but are large enough to accommodate other mission-specific modules. Not as large as the mission-bay on the Type 26 of the RN, it was intended to give the ships greater flexibility at a reduced cost.

Two ships were initially ordered, with an option for a third.

HMNFS Dominion, 2018
HMNFS Sovereign, 2020 (expected)


And in case you're wondering, the radar is the BAE Artisan in a weather-resistant dome for operation in colder, icey northern climes off the Labrador and Arctic coasts.

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All feedback welcome, as always.


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Post subject: Re: Dominion of Newfoundland and LabradorPosted: April 28th, 2018, 8:30 pm
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I like it if especially the radar, If you don't mind me asking a few questions?
- Once you have VLS Narwhal why not go all VLS with a VLS Harpoon?
- Linked to that would they want more MK141 than you have so as to keep the same 8 Harpoon as most other ships, since some of the tubes will be filled with Narwhal? (but at what point does a MK16 become lighter/smaller ?)
- Would fitting the 76-mm Oto Melara main gun as a CIWS save on carrying the Phalanx?


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Post subject: Re: Dominion of Newfoundland and LabradorPosted: April 29th, 2018, 1:38 am
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JSB wrote: *
I like it if especially the radar, If you don't mind me asking a few questions?
- Once you have VLS Narwhal why not go all VLS with a VLS Harpoon?
- Linked to that would they want more MK141 than you have so as to keep the same 8 Harpoon as most other ships, since some of the tubes will be filled with Narwhal? (but at what point does a MK16 become lighter/smaller ?)
- Would fitting the 76-mm Oto Melara main gun as a CIWS save on carrying the Phalanx?
Thanks JSB! In answer to your queries:
- The RNFN is all about finding efficiencies, especially given the initial procurement costs for the frigates out of the overall MoD budget. Utilizing legacy systems in lieu of newer or updated versions that can be upgraded in later life is a common theme, as indicative in the proceeding Avalon and Beaumont Hamel classes
- While the design does allow for an additional 4-cell Mk141 to be added if necessary, the RNFN has typically favored a mixed armament of Harpoons/Narwhals as the ships are always viewed primarily as ASW boats; a holdover from older cold war dogma
- Again, it's a legacy system from the proceeding class. The Block 1B were installed on the Beaumont Hamels, and would be salvaged from them on a 1-1 basis

I try to build my fleet with a mix of fanciful and realistic. I always try to keep my AU grounded insofar as that even in my AU, Newfoundland and Labrador are not a nation that can afford some of the warship developments that others can. Many of the decisions made are based simply on simple cost-savings.

So I tried to make, what I hope, was a balanced and handsome design while still keeping what a real government finance watchdog would say about costs in the back of my mind. :lol:


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