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Rhade
Post subject: Re: AntaraPosted: October 19th, 2018, 1:22 pm
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The turrets are uniform.
How? The back of forward turret is clearly different from the back of rear turret.

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Post subject: Re: AntaraPosted: October 19th, 2018, 1:43 pm
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The turrets are uniform.
How? The back of forward turret is clearly different from the back of rear turret.
I'm honestly really confused at what you are trying to point out.

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Post subject: Re: AntaraPosted: October 19th, 2018, 2:26 pm
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On a closer look, the Cora-class forward turrets are indeed different from the aft ones. The forward turrets have a sotr of "cut" in the upper back, while the aft ones appear to be more squared.
I admit I got initially confused because somehow I assumed Rhade was talking about the cruisers instead. Might be the case of misunderstanding.

Nice work anyway, the only point I could make is that the Princeton class stern below the waterline looks empty. Both the keel curve around the rudder and propeller struts seem to imply that the hull is extremely fine there, maybe even too much to fit the lower end of the barbettes or give proper buoyancy.

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Post subject: Re: AntaraPosted: October 19th, 2018, 2:53 pm
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Aye, Cora class.

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Post subject: Re: AntaraPosted: October 19th, 2018, 5:02 pm
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Ahh! Yeah the forward turrets are rounded off so that the hedgehog can clear it when fired. This is present on USN destroyer escorts as well.

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Post subject: Re: AntaraPosted: October 25th, 2018, 7:19 pm
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Chiaki class destroyer

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The Chiaki class was a series of 82 destroyers built from 1916 to 1919, the largest class in the Antaran navy, and made up of three subclasses or batches. The design represented a divergence in doctrine from the previous Ember class, as she was designed solely for torpedo attacks, instead of the 'hybrid' doctrine that combined both destroyer hunting and torpedo attacks, though however Chiaki was still very well gunned for her time. The second part of the divergence came in the form of 'destroyer leaders' built alongside the Chiakis, intended to lead the destroyer flotillas and trade torpedo power for gunpower.

The class was known to be fairly well liked by her crews, owing mostly to good seaworthiness. As built Chiaki carried five 100mm/45s, two of which were mounted on her wings. She also carried a large torpedo armament of nine 533mm torpedoes, in three triple launchers, and four reloadable torpedoes. She had a modest speed of between 36 and 37.5 knots, with the speed generally being dictated on where the destroyer was built. Six shipyards built all 82 vessels.

Most of the first batch of Chiakis saw deployment and even some minor action in the First World War, commissioned in early 1917, as part of the Atlantic Fleet. Though following the end of the war, their service was less spectacular even if they were technically more active. The interwar period saw most members of the class being treated rather poorly, shipyards did not bother to repaint most of the vessels until they were needed again, and the only maintenance they received was mandatory - most saw no refits until the Second World War had already begun. It was policy for the navy to avoid using older ships in the Pacific as they believed the Japanese posed a much larger threat than the Germans, so quite a number of Chiakis served in the Atlantic Fleet in WW2, usually relegated to slow convoy escort and submarine hunting until they were further rendered obsolete by destroyer escorts. Around 20 were given to the Royal Navy in late 1940 under the Destroyers for Bases Agreement, and despite being old, they were also somewhat liked by their new British owners. They were all put back into service as early as the following year.

The name ship of the class served in the Pacific Fleet for the whole of WW2 and remains the only vessel of her class to have been struck by a kamikaze, which is strange considering how rare a vessel of her age was in the later stages of the Pacific War. Most Chiakis that served in the Pacific would've been out of pure desperation to bring out anything to halt the Japanese advance.

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Hyder's original WW1 camoflauge scheme is still present after 20 years, albeit faded.

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HMS Winchester, named for the cities both the British and the Antarans have in common, was formally ARS Rose. She was moderately refitted before being put back into service in 1942. Her amidships AA platform was already present before she was leased.

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It wasn't common for the Chiakis to receive radar, being the oldest Antaran destroyer class in service. Cairncross also features DP 76mm guns, a gun also not particularly common, and hers were taken from another older vessel.

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Hanny outfitted as a carrier escort, with all of her original mounts being replaced with 40mm AA guns. As the navy avoided using them to directly fight other surface warships in the Pacific, they were typically found escorting slow carriers whose sole purpose was ground support during the Pacific island hopping campaign.

Displacement - 1200 tonnes
Speed - 36 to 37.5 knots (varies depending on yard)
Range - 5000nm at 14 knots
Armament - 5x1 100mm/45
Torpedoes - 3x3 533mm with 4 single reloads

Ships in class

Original batch (built 1915-1916)

Chiaki - sunk by kamikaze, 1946
Downs - scrapped, 1947
Townley - torpedoed, 1940
Dwain - scrapped, 1947
Maplewood - scrapped, 1947
Starlet - Leased to Great Britain, scrapped 1947
Shepard - scrapped, 1947
Henderson - scrapped, 1947
Hyder - scrapped, 1947
Grissam - scrapped, 1947
Bandy - Leased to Great Britain, scrapped 1947
F. Garcia - scrapped, 1947
Gleaves - scrapped, 1947
Jenkins - Leased to Great Britain, scrapped 1947
Mason - beached, 1942
Ponds - Leased to Great Britain, scrapped 1947
Laffey - scrapped, 1947
Vanderson - torpedoed, 1942
Madox - scrapped, 1947
Eisman - scrapped, 1947
Colby - Leased to Great Britain, torpedoed 1943
Winston - scrapped, 1947
D. Smith - torpedoed, 1941
Connally - scrapped, 1947
Lawsen - scrapped, 1947
Thatcher - Leased to Great Britain, torpedoed 1941
Wickerson - scrapped, 1947
Louw - scrapped, 1947
Grey - sunk in surface action, 1943

Deja batch (built 1917-1918)

Deja - scrapped, 1947
Scotts - scrapped, 1947
Johnston - sunk in surface action, 1942
Clarryton - torpedoed, 1941
Bailey - scrapped, 1947
Amor - scrapped, 1948
Perry - Leased to Great Britain, torpedoed 1940
Jakes - rammed by Numakaze, 1941
Morgan - sunk in surface action, 1941
Williams - scrapped, 1947
Carter - scrapped, 1947
A. Jenkins - Leased to Great Britain, torpedoed 1940
Turner - scrapped, 1947
Caldwell - torpedoed, 1943
Thompson - torpedoed, 1941
J.E.Garcia - scrapped, 1947
Lopez - sunk in surface action, 1941
Rose - Leased to Great Britain, scrapped 1947
Nicholas - scrapped, 1947
Lewis - scrapped, 1947
Knight - Leased to Great Britain, torpedoed 1941
Greywords - scrapped, 1947
Brummer - scrapped, 1947

Cullins batch (built 1918-1919)

Cullins - scrapped, 1947
Bane - Leased to Great Britain, scrapped 1947
Chandler - scrapped, 1947
Walker - Leased to Great Britain, scrapped 1947
Lee - scrapped, 1947
Higgins - scrapped, 1947
Hanny - torpedoed, 1940
Dylandy - Leased to Great Britain, torpedoed 1941
Umberto - scrapped, 1947
Carmine - Leased to Great Britain, scrapped 1947
Nigiri - sunk in collision with U-boat, 1940
Mikihara - scrapped, 1947
Abrams - Leased to Great Britain, torpedoed 1941
Lucita - torpedoed, 1944
Yumeko - scrapped, 1947
Allsworth - torpedoed, 1940
E. Jenkins - Leased to Great Britain, sold to USSR 1947
H. Smith - sunk in surface action, 1942
Marshal - Leased to Great Britain, torpedoed 1942
Abella - torpedoed, 1940
Cairncross - Leased to Great Britain, scrapped 1947
Davids - scrapped, 1947
Clark - Leased to Great Britain, scrapped 1947
Bardace - scrapped, 1947
Marcus - Leased to Great Britain, sunk in surface action 1942
Jaya - sunk in surface action, 1941
Naia - scrapped, 1947
Harris - sunk by aircraft, 1943
Friedland - Leased to Great Britain, scrapped 1947
Madelaine - scrapped, 1947
Brooklyn - scrapped, 1947

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Post subject: Re: AntaraPosted: October 25th, 2018, 7:43 pm
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That's a lot of  underage loli boats and also the drawings are amazing as usual :D

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Post subject: Re: AntaraPosted: October 25th, 2018, 7:56 pm
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The forward torpedo launcher is interesting. I don't see any reason why you couldn't do that, but I can't think of a real-life ship that featured such an installation.

Quite hard to consider a WW1-era destroyer clocking a speed of 37.5 knots, even on trial, and calling that "modest"!!


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Post subject: Re: AntaraPosted: October 25th, 2018, 8:26 pm
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The forward torpedo launcher is interesting. I don't see any reason why you couldn't do that, but I can't think of a real-life ship that featured such an installation.
The Japanese did it on the Kamikaze and Minekaze classes (and the following Mutsuki as well).

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Post subject: Re: AntaraPosted: October 25th, 2018, 9:23 pm
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Not to mention whole horde of German destroyers/torpedoboot's.

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