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Post subject: Soviet Alternative CarriersPosted: February 18th, 2018, 3:57 pm
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Kiev, Project 1143, NATO 'Kuril' Class, 1975

My alternate RN needs suitable threats to face and so here is the 'Kuril' Class carrier.
The first of three Pr.1173 aviation cruisers were laid down in 1973 at South Yard, Nikolayev. Designed to support Soviet ASW groups these ships offered far superior capabilities to the two Pr.1123 Moskva Class ships completed during the 1960s. The ships combined a powerful air defence capability through medium-range SAMs and the Yak-36M V/STOL fighters carried along with a useful anti-submarine armament comprised of Ka-25 helicopters supported by ship-launched missiles and rockets. Each was equipped as a flagship. The three ships completed were; Kiev, Minsk and Kharkov.
Displacement: 40,000 tons
Dimensions: 281m (long), 60.9m (beam, including flightdeck)
Armament: 2x SA-N-3 SAM launchers, 3x SA-N-4 SAM launchers, 1x SUW-N-1 ASW missile laucher, 6x2 57mm guns, 8x2 30mm guns, 2x RBU-6000 ASW rocket mortars
Airgroup: 25x Yak-36M 'Freehand' V/STOL fighters and 25x Ka-25 'Hormone-A' helicopters
Speed: at least 30kts

Real World: The Kuril was a misidentified Kiev Class. In 1973 DOD analysts only had satellite photos of the hull of Kiev then under construction and they supposed the Kiev would combine the features of the Moskva with a larger flight deck. The drawing above is based on the artists impression republished in The Hybrid Warship and a line drawing produced by Janes around the same time, presumably based on the same artwork. This was reproduced in the 1976 novel A Game of Titans the only time the Kuril made its appearance in fiction. Quite soon however the real armament of the Kievs became clear and NATO dropped the 'Kuril' designation. The analysts for some bizarre reason assumed a gun armament of 28 57mm guns, the mounts in Janes looking like the older ZiF-31 mounts. I decided to make more use of the 30mm.
The Yak-36 is all-new (I've included a basic version in case anyone wants it) and I've touched up the old Ka-25 a bit too. Golly is fully credited here, because although the ship is 90% mine, I've ripped several elements from Golly's excellent Novgorod and Soviet carriers.


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Tbilisi, Project 1143.5, NATO 'Black-Com-2' Class, 1988

The first of two Pr.1143.5 aviation cruisers were laid down in 1982 at South Yard, Nikolayev. Designed to support Soviet ASW groups as an improved Project 1143 Kiev class design with three deck-edge lifts and two steam-catapults. The Tbilisi completed in 1988 and was assigned as the flagship of the Black Sea fleet and was followed in 1989 by the Riga which was assigned to the Pacific Fleet just as the Communist regime fell in 1990.

Displacement: 60,000 tons
Dimensions: 272m(long, overall), 80m (beam, including flightdeck)
Armament: 16x VLS tubes for SS-N-19 'Shipwreck' supersonic anti-ship missiles, 24x SA-N-6 'Grumble' SAM launchers, 2x2 SA-N-4 'Gecko' SAM launchers, 2x1 100mm AK-100 gun mounts, 8x 30mm AK-630 CIWS mounts, 2x RBU-6000 ASW rocket launchers
Airgroup: navalised Su-27 'Flanker' fighters and Ka-27 'Helix' helicopters
Machinery: 250,000shp steam turbines
Speed: 30-32kts
Complement: 5,000

Real World: By early 1984 rumours began to circulate about a successor to the Kiev class and in August 1984 satellite reconnaissance revealed the hull of the Project 1143.5 Riga, which would later be better known as Tbilisi and later still completed as the Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov. The bow section was incomplete and so speculation continued in the West as to what the new carrier would look like. Would it be a conventional carrier or a heavily armed cruiser-carrier built for power projection. Speculation favoured the heavily armed solution. The design shown here was based on an unattributed Japanese study and illustrated an article by Siegfried Breyer in Naval Forces. This design has the same Kirov-esque heavy missile battery but slightly toned down and actually seems to emphasise anti-air rather than anti-submarine capabilities.

Drawing Notes: no dimensions for this design were given but from scaling the drawing it was clear that the the hull was based on that of the Kiev in size rather than being a 'supercarrier'. Being drawn in 1982 the design is very much a warmed-up Kiev. The deck-edge lift forming the end of the angled deck (actually more of a laterally displaced axial deck) is an odd feature but otherwise the design seems actually seems more well thought out than the 'Kreml' which appeared a few months later.

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Kreml (Kremlin), Project 1143.7, NATO 'Kreml' Class, 1989


The first of two Pr.1143.7 aviation cruisers were laid down in 1982 at South Yard, Nikolayev. Designed to support Soviet ASW groups and offer power projection across the world, these ships offered far superior capabilities with powerful missile armament backed up by an effective air group and a contingent of Marines. Only the Kreml was completed, commissioning in 1989 shortly before the collapse of the USSR. On commissioning the Kreml was assigned to the Northern Fleet.
Displacement: 75,000 tons
Dimensions: 335m (long, overall), 90m (beam, including flightdeck), 40m (beam, hull)
Armament: 20x VLS tubes for SS-N-19 'Shipwreck' supersonic anti-ship missiles, 1x2 SS-N-14 'Silex' ASW missile launcher (plus reload missiles), 12 SA-N-6 'Grumble' SAM launchers, 2x2 76mm gun mounts, 9x 30mm AK-630 CIWS mounts, 2x5 533mm torpedo tubes for torpedoes and SS-N-15 'Starfish' ASW missiles, 1x RBU-6000 ASW rocket launcher
Airgroup: 70x navalised Su-27 'Flanker' fighters (and including navalised Sukhoi Su-25 'Frogfoot' attack aircraft) plus Ka-27 'Helix' helicopters
Machinery: 2 nuclear reactors supplying steam to 4 turbines, 250,000shp
Speed: 30-32kts
Complement: 5,000 plus a Marine infantry contingent of 1,500

Real World: By early 1984 rumours began to circulate about a successor to the Kiev class and in August 1984 satellite reconnaissance revealed the hull of the Project 1143.5 Riga, which would later be better known as Tbilisi and later still completed as the Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Kuznetsov. The bow section was incomplete and so speculation continued in the West as to what the new carrier would look like. Would it be a conventional carrier or a heavily armed cruiser-carrier built for power projection. Speculation favoured the heavily armed solution, indeed as completed the Kuznetsov had a powerful battery of 12 SS-N-19 anti-ship missiles, but the Western speculations were far more powerful. The design shown here, dubbed the i]Kreml[/i], was presented in Strategy and Defence in October 1984. The design had two steam catapults on the angled deck for 70 navalised 'Flankers' and a powerful missile battery modelled on that of the Project 1144 Kirov class. Oddly only long-range SAMs were presented despite the large Su-27 airgroup (which could probably never been fitted into such a hull). Being sketched in 1984 the design lacks a phased-array radar, so has a dated radar outfit compared to the Pr.1143.4 Baku which completed in 1988.
The West saw the Soviet carrier fleet as being a key part of global projection, so much so that, like this design, they assumed they would carry Soviet Marines and by the late 1980s rumours (perhaps started by the existence of the Su-25UTG deck trainers) circulated that the carriers would carry Su-25 'Frogfoot' ground attack aircraft. Therefore I have included a modified Su-25 based on the Su-25TM/Su-39 airframe with the raised cockpit. What we have here is an interesting semi-accurate glimpse of the reality but incorrect in many ways and perhaps far too ambitious to be workable.

Drawing Note: I first drew this ship probably 10-12 years ago and although this started as a modernisation it ended up a 100% redraw. Golly's Kiev parts were invaluable in completing this. The original drawing had some rather funky deck heights and layouts and odd angles. I've done my best to interpret them and rejig them into accurate forms that could be workable, but it is rather a complicated island compared to the real ships. I have redrawn the previous Su-33K from scratch and it is now far more accurate and I have kitbashed a naval Su-25.

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Post subject: Re: Soviet Alternative CarriersPosted: February 18th, 2018, 4:22 pm
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excellent drawing
I come over this one
http://navyaviation.tpub.com/14243/img/14243_276_1.jpg


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Post subject: Re: Soviet Alternative CarriersPosted: February 18th, 2018, 4:24 pm
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heh nice to see this section of soviet carrier saga presented as well. If you could post the aircafts blanko, i would be happy

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Post subject: Re: Soviet Alternative CarriersPosted: February 18th, 2018, 6:30 pm
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Very interesting design, cannot wait to see what will follow next!


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Post subject: Re: Soviet Alternative CarriersPosted: February 18th, 2018, 8:21 pm
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I like it! That island sorta-kinda reminds me of a futuristic IJN Junyo-class. Nice work!

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Post subject: Re: Soviet Alternative CarriersPosted: February 19th, 2018, 2:47 am
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EXCELLENT work Hood my old chum :!:

It's lovely to see some quality artwork featuring ships from the Eastern Bloc. All to often artists appear to concentrate on BIG Western Battleships, with BIG guns and so and so on...

So jolly well done old fruit. I LOVE her :D

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Post subject: Re: Soviet Alternative CarriersPosted: February 19th, 2018, 6:28 am
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Just a historical note, the Moskva's were considered somewhat a failure. With the fwd half being all weapons, magazines, electronics, etc and the aft half being essentially a hollow hanger, they tended to ride bow down which made them very wet forward in even a moderate sea.


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Post subject: Re: Soviet Alternative CarriersPosted: February 19th, 2018, 1:02 pm
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That is a very handsome ship, looking forward to seeing what comes up next, a Guevara Class Destroyer perhaps...?


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Post subject: Re: Soviet Alternative CarriersPosted: February 19th, 2018, 8:31 pm
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Excellent drawing!
And I really like that implicit mention of new AU Royal Navy coming. ;)

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Post subject: Re: Soviet Alternative CarriersPosted: March 18th, 2018, 3:53 pm
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Edited the main image with the port side now added (this was the side originally shown in the source materials mentioned in the first post).

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