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MihoshiK
Post subject: Of Typhon and BroomsticksPosted: February 28th, 2018, 8:05 pm
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Although the 1966 Defense White Paper did allow the building of CVA-1 and it's four intended Type 82 escorts, one particular item did not survive. The Sea Dart missile system had an extremely troubled development, and the White Paper axed it. In it's place a more a more mature missile system was proposed, the US Navy's Typhon.
Although there was no way the AN/SPG-59 radar would fit on either the CVA-1 or the Type 82 destroyers, the Anglo-Dutch Broomstick radar would at least provide with the detection range and tracking capability to allow the missile system to be reasonably effective. Illumination and guidance would be through SPG-55B trackers, which would limit the effective range of Typhon LR compared to the AN/SPG-59 radar, but which would be perfectly adequate for the Typhon MR.

As completed, CVA-1 would carry 40 Typhon MR in a rapid fire Mk13 GMLS.

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The Type 82 destroyers entered service with a 40 round Mk 10 GMLs, for the massive Typhon LR. The originally intended Limbo mortar was never installed.

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Their final upgrade just after the Falklands war saw the removal of Ikara, and the addition of a single Phalanx CIWS and four Exocet launchers.

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Meanwhile it became clear that four air defense destroyers for the entire fleet was not enough. Cue the Royal Navy's first all-missile ship, the Type 42 detroyer, which eschewed the troublesome Vickers Mk8 gun for an exocet installation.

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The second and third batches of these ships added nearly 400 tons of displacement to a cramped ship and, more importantly, the addition of the OTO compact, a rapid fire 127 mm cannon capable of firing a large variety of shells. The aging and completely inadequate Type 965 radar was replaced with a license build version of the Dutch LW08 which provided rough altitude indication by using two feed horns.

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But a replacement was already on the horizon.

Even as the USN struggled to upgrade it's legacy AN/SPG-59 series of radars, the Royal Navy decided to go with a familiar solution. Combining two huge D-band radars with two electronically scanned Phased Arrays into one massive rotating installation, the MkII Broomstick radar would ultimately only be installed on the eight Type 43 destroyers, and CVA-1 upon it's modernisation.
The Type 43 turned out to be massively expensive, but also massively competent. Combining a 60 round Typhon LR launcher with a 40 round typhon MR launcher, four Exocet, an OTO compact gun, and at first two Phalanx (quickly replaced with SeaStreak launchers when they became available), the Type 43 was a very capable warship. It would also be the last of the so-called "Kojak" ships.

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Post subject: Re: Of Typhon and BroomsticksPosted: February 28th, 2018, 8:14 pm
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I got the vapors just reading the title, and it did not disappoint!! These are beautiful, fun drawings.

Type 42 could stand the replacement of Corvus with the new part drawing.
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Post subject: Re: Of Typhon and BroomsticksPosted: February 28th, 2018, 8:25 pm
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erik_t wrote: *
I got the vapors just reading the title, and it did not disappoint!! These are beautiful, fun drawings.
Yeah, they are. I had fun doing these. The T43 actually looks better with that big bald dome on top.

This was also the reason I did the new Seastreak and OTO Compact parts. The old ones just didn't do it for me.
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Type 42 could stand the replacement of Corvus with the new part drawing.
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Ah dang, I knew there was something off. I'll get it tomorrow.

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Post subject: Re: Of Typhon and BroomsticksPosted: February 28th, 2018, 11:05 pm
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Should the typhon LR's booster really be that fat? http://www.alternatewars.com/BBOW/Weapons/TyphonLR.gif
and was my starstreak launcher that bad? :P

That said, awesome ideas! I am currently working on some super talos and super tartar (what later became the 2 typhon variants) ships myself, so it is cool to be able to compare notes :P

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Post subject: Re: Of Typhon and BroomsticksPosted: February 28th, 2018, 11:19 pm
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Actual pictures of Typhon show a booster considerably thiccer than the missile itself

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And the Starstreak launcher... Eh, it was pixel work, but once a part gets under my skin I can't let go. I spend an entire evening on the new OTO mount, for example.

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Post subject: Re: Of Typhon and BroomsticksPosted: February 28th, 2018, 11:34 pm
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Sweet stuff, glad to see you back BTW. :)

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Post subject: Re: Of Typhon and BroomsticksPosted: February 28th, 2018, 11:48 pm
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Impresive designs!

PS: In D111, the bow figure is the Dragon of Wales?


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Post subject: Re: Of Typhon and BroomsticksPosted: March 1st, 2018, 2:32 pm
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I pretty sure that's a spare Talos booster, rather than that intended for eventual service with Typhon-LR. The latter would have used the regular old Mk 10 GMLS used with Terrier and Standard-ER (period texts are pretty clear about this, e.g. the Typhon DLGN was to have carried 60 combined RIM-50 and ASROC, like on a Belknap).

Why would they be testing with a Talos booster and not a Terrier booster? I have no idea, but it's hard to dismiss the look.

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Post subject: Re: Of Typhon and BroomsticksPosted: March 1st, 2018, 4:08 pm
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erik_t wrote: *
I pretty sure that's a spare Talos booster, rather than that intended for eventual service with Typhon-LR. The latter would have used the regular old Mk 10 GMLS used with Terrier and Standard-ER (period texts are pretty clear about this, e.g. the Typhon DLGN was to have carried 60 combined RIM-50 and ASROC, like on a Belknap).

Why would they be testing with a Talos booster and not a Terrier booster? I have no idea, but it's hard to dismiss the look.

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That's all it was ever tested with Erik, there's actually photos online of it being launched with that booster. The wings are wrong for a Talos booster, btw., they're too big.

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Post subject: Re: Of Typhon and BroomsticksPosted: March 1st, 2018, 4:52 pm
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I can pretty confidently say Typhon was never programmed for US service with the large-diameter booster.

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