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Author:  kellyj [ November 26th, 2023, 8:40 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: America the Divided
TheTractionCo wrote: *June 23rd, 2023, 6:55 pm
when california
Realistically, in the political climate of California from the 1990s and on, California would only have a (barely tolerated) Coast Guard Consisting of a few (4-6) Medium Endurance Cutters and smaller patrol/rescue boats.
Though Southern California would likely break off and either go it themselves (taking the Central Valley with them) along with parts of Arizona and New Mexico...or join with Texas as a western extension of that Republic.
Author:  Ultraking101 [ November 26th, 2023, 9:59 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: America the Divided
kellyj wrote: *November 26th, 2023, 8:40 pm
TheTractionCo wrote: *June 23rd, 2023, 6:55 pm
when california
Realistically, in the political climate of California from the 1990s and on, California would only have a (barely tolerated) Coast Guard Consisting of a few (4-6) Medium Endurance Cutters and smaller patrol/rescue boats.
Though Southern California would likely break off and either go it themselves (taking the Central Valley with them) along with parts of Arizona and New Mexico...or join with Texas as a western extension of that Republic.
What are you even talking about dude, we have lore that hasn’t been written down for California, nor was the original poster technically our person who was acting as California, they merely butted in and claimed it without contacting any of the au members. IDK what your even claim is about not tolerating a decent sized navy anyways due to “politics”, when you don’t even know the AU lore because no one here’s posted it yet…
Author:  Ultraking101 [ December 4th, 2023, 2:35 am ]
Post subject:  Re: America the Divided
Updated West Florida with:

- Defiant 140 Class
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The Defiant 140 class patrol boat is a West Floridian derived variant of the popular Damen Stan Patrol 4207 class. The Defiant 140 is a specialized version, focusing primarily on offshore patrol against naval threats such as pirates or drug & arms smugglers. There are currently 7x Defiant 140s planned in total, with 5 in service and an additional 2 under construction.
Author:  Ultraking101 [ December 7th, 2023, 2:13 am ]
Post subject:  Re: America the Divided
Updated West Florida with:

- Independence Class
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The Independence class corvette is a West Floridian-designed vessel aimed for low-intensity operations and a maritime security role. The corvette's design originated out of Swiftships 75-Meter corvette design, culminating into the Swiftships 90-Meter Corvette (C1400 corvette on the market). West Florida opted to procure the 90 meter design due to seakeeping and hull stability differences. The lead ship of the class is WFN Independence (C-05), with West Florida procuring 7x corvettes in order to replace the Vermilion Bay class corvettes. West Florida is also looking at procuring an OPV derived design of the type, although that would be armed with a 30mm instead of the OTO 76. The class has been widely successful in exports, with Egypt (3x in service), Malaysia (6x ordered) Nigeria (2x in service), Philippines (1x in service, 2x on order) currently operating the type, as well as Taiwan operating the derived Ta Chiang class. West Florida is offering the C1400 to Ukraine, Saudi Arabia, Qatar, South Florida.
Author:  Ultraking101 [ December 15th, 2023, 3:18 am ]
Post subject:  Re: America the Divided
Updated West Florida with:

- F/A-15
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A PAI-upgrade of inherited F-15Cs using in IAI assistance and F-15E technology. Designated as F/A-15F "Dagger" due to change in role to a Multirole Strike Fighter, the F/A-15F is the strike force of the WFAF able to carry up to 22,000 lb of external fuel and ordnance, more than a B-29 or almost three times a B-17's conventional payload. The F/A-15 upgrade came as a shock to some nations as it seemed to confirm a delivery system for a West Floridian nuclear weapon, however the weapon or confirmation of the ability has never been proven... ;)
Author:  Ultraking101 [ December 16th, 2023, 1:09 am ]
Post subject:  Re: America the Divided
Updated West Florida with:

- Updated Seminole Class (GP & AAW) Frigate (modernizing components and altering certain issues)
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The Seminole class frigate is a class of 5x ex-Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates handed over to the West Florida Navy. Due to budgeetary concerns, only 3x of the units regularly made to sea and the SM-1MRs of the other two ships were transferred to the active vessels. However, in the late 2000s with the rise in piracy in waters of the Gulf of Mexico the 3x vessels were upgraded with a pair of Bofors 40mm/L70 mounts on both sides of the ship to better ensure 360° anti-surface combat capabilities. In the late 2000s, the other 2x Seminole class were put into service with a modernization program at Ingalls Shipyard, causing the West Florida Navy to put designations for different vessels in the class. The original 3x were deemed the Seminole (GP) while the 2x upgraded were to be the Seminole (AAW). Although this designation caused mild controversy in the ranks of the naval branch as both systems have roughly the same count of anti-aircraft capabilities. The Seminole (GP) sees regular service in the Gulf of Mexico and the Caribbean Sea with a number of encounters with Cuban and Venezuelan frigates shadowing the type. The Seminole (GP) will be the first vessels replaced by the Victory class frigate with that expected to begin in 2024.

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The Seminole (AAW) class frigate is a subclass of 2x ex-Oliver Hazard Perry class frigates handed over to the West Florida Navy. These 2 frigates were initially laid up in the 90s and part of the 2000s due to budget prioritizing the service of the 3x frigates already in service. in the mid-2000s however, Cuban aggression in the Caribbean and Gulf of Mexico proved ample reason for the West Floridian Navy to place the 2x ships into service. However, with their SM-1MRs taken to be used on the other three vessels, the WFN opted for an extensive upgrade with VLS to launch the RIM-162 ESSM via a Mk 41 system, a platform over the old Mark 13 missile launcher fitted with an autocannon for anti-surface combat, and finally armed with Harpoon AShM missiles for anti-shipping roles. Unlike her sisters, the two vessels were not upgraded with the Bofors 40mm/L70 mounts. The upgraded type was deemed the Seminole (AAW), although this designation caused mild controversy in the ranks of the naval branch as both systems have roughly the same count of anti-aircraft capabilities.
Author:  odysseus1980 [ December 16th, 2023, 7:31 am ]
Post subject:  Re: America the Divided
https://therhk111militaryandarmspage.bl ... 1.html?m=1

Hello! This upgrade was considered for OHP, perfect for AU also.
Author:  acelanceloet [ December 16th, 2023, 10:36 am ]
Post subject:  Re: America the Divided
odysseus1980 wrote: *December 16th, 2023, 7:31 am
https://therhk111militaryandarmspage.bl ... 1.html?m=1

Hello! This upgrade was considered for OHP, perfect for AU also.
There are more errors then facts in that article.

For example:
- The Mk 41 in HMAS Sydney (not HMS) is NOT tactical length but self defence length, and even that is sticking up above the deck due to limited space available.
- The Mk 13 and the Mk 41 are compared empty weight, but forgets that the Mk 41 also holds canisters which makes the weight calculation when loaded quite a different issue.
- It mentions engineering issues being possibly the reason this was never done. Yes, engineering issues related to sticking a square peg in a round hole are the reason this isn't done.

Please use proper sources for "considered upgrades".
Author:  odysseus1980 [ December 16th, 2023, 11:54 am ]
Post subject:  Re: America the Divided
acelanceloet wrote: *December 16th, 2023, 10:36 am
odysseus1980 wrote: *December 16th, 2023, 7:31 am
https://therhk111militaryandarmspage.bl ... 1.html?m=1

Hello! This upgrade was considered for OHP, perfect for AU also.
There are more errors then facts in that article.

For example:
- The Mk 41 in HMAS Sydney (not HMS) is NOT tactical length but self defence length, and even that is sticking up above the deck due to limited space available.
- The Mk 13 and the Mk 41 are compared empty weight, but forgets that the Mk 41 also holds canisters which makes the weight calculation when loaded quite a different issue.
- It mentions engineering issues being possibly the reason this was never done. Yes, engineering issues related to sticking a square peg in a round hole are the reason this isn't done.

Please use proper sources for "considered upgrades".
Ok then, thanks for feedback!
Author:  Ultraking101 [ December 17th, 2023, 5:38 am ]
Post subject:  Re: America the Divided
Updated West Florida with:

- AH-64D Apache
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Initially inheriting ~120-150x AH-64As, West Florida could only operate a fraction of this number for a series of years, yet unlike other nations West Florida was able to easily find and train pilots due to the presence of both the ex-Army helicopter training base Fort Rucker and the Navy's Whiting Field. The AH-64A was in service as part of the West Florida Army Aviation (WFAA) and used as the Army's primary airborne anti-personnel aircraft. However, the Army would utilize Air Force roundels as a means of distinguishing West Florida's AH-64s from the multitude of regional enemies who operate the Apache. The AH-64A would be upgraded in the 2010s to AH-64D status with the AN/APG-78 Longbow system. In total ~60 Apaches would take service with the WFAA, however 2x would be lost to accidents and 1x to friendly fire.

-C7A1 Jaguar
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Seeking to augment the M1A2WF and replace the M1A1, the Army launched a tender for the customized modern tank incorporating 4th generation MBT capabilities. Italy's modernized Ariete MBT was the selected winner of the competition and in late 2015 began construction at the SM Army Production Plant in Gulfport. The C7A1 would be rolled out in April 2016, marking the first of an initial order of 150 units. The order of C7A1s would be reduced to 132 in 2019 due to the development of the upgraded C7A2 variant developed, upgrading certain systems such as the engine, barrel stability, and crew accommodation. The Army has placed an order of 430 for this C7A2 upgraded version.
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