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Post subject: The Iron-Clad Menace (Challenge)Posted: January 3rd, 2021, 12:01 pm
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'The battleship battery Pervenets' by Stadler and Pattinot

Welcome to the Iron-Clad Menace challenge. The year is 1866. A rival power has laid down a class of ironclads suitable for overseas service. Reports indicate they will displace 4,000 long tons and carry six 8-inch guns in a central battery. A speed of 12 knots is expected. While these ships are on the smaller side, they can be deployed anywhere in the world using a combination of steam and sail. To a great power, the new ironclads will pose a threat to international trade and colonies far removed from the homeland. Smaller states which once relied on distance for security may soon find one of these ironclads prowling their shores. Your task is to develop a response to this new class of ironclads. You might consider a monitor, a ram, a second-class battleship, or something else entirely (so long as it is a ship).

Design Requirements
  1. Your submission must depict a ship designed as a response to the class of ironclads described above.

Challenge Rules
  1. Each participant must submit a single image.
  2. The image should be a Shipbucket template modified to include the participant’s art. Templates which include a data sheet are allowed.
  3. One side-view of the participant's ship must be included. One top-view is also permitted, but not required. A second side-view may be added for the sole purpose of depicting bulwarks in a raised and lowered state. All other views are prohibited.
  4. If two or more views are included, they must depict the same ship at the same point in time.
  5. All art should be in Shipbucket scale, and conform to the Shipbucket style guidelines.
  6. A textual description accompanying each submission is permitted, but not necessary.
  7. Off-topic posts will be reported to the relevant authorities.

This challenge will run until the 30th of January, ending at 23:59 UTC-12 (International Date Line West).
A countdown timer can be found at this link.

A poll will be held after this date. Members of the Shipbucket community will have an opportunity to rate each submission. Please provide honest and meaningful scores for each entry. Responses which grant maximum scores to a select group of entries, and minimum scores to all other entries, will be deleted. Members of the community who manipulate the results in such a fashion may also be subject to a permanent ban. Scores will be allocated in three categories, each with a scale of 1 to 10. They are as follows:
  • Drawing Quality - The overall quality of the drawing. One might consider detailing, shading, and accuracy.
  • Design Realism - How realistic is the design presented? Any accompanying text may be considered.
  • Originality - Does the submission present a new and unique design, or is it a copy of an existing one?

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Kiwi Imperialist
Post subject: Rules Update and Some ClarificationsPosted: January 3rd, 2021, 10:11 pm
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There have been some questions on the Discord server relating to the challenge. I would like to issue a couple of clarifications. First, a floating battery is considered a ship for the purposes of the challenge. A participant may choose to draw a floating battery if they so desire. Second, the 12 knot figure in the opening post is the top speed of the rival ironclad under power. I have also updated the challenge rules to allow a second side-view within a participant's drawing. This is for the sole purpose of showing bulwarks in a raised and lowered state. The changes are specific to challenge rules 3 and 4. Finally, please note that the section of the opening post describing the poll has been modified to include the following: "Responses which grant maximum scores to a select group of entries, and minimum scores to all other entries, will be deleted. Members of the community who manipulate the results in such a fashion may also be subject to a permanent ban." This is a more explicit version of a warning that was issued with the poll for the Soldierbucket infantry challenge. Please do try to provide meaningful scores when the poll for this challenge comes around.

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Post subject: Re: The Iron-Clad Menace (Challenge)Posted: January 12th, 2021, 4:43 am
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The Young Choung-class ironclads (Menghean: 영정급 철갑함 / 永靖級鐵甲艦 Yŏngjŏng-gŭb Chŏlgabham) were a pair of ironclad warships built for the navy of the Namyang Government during Menghe's Three States Period. They were ordered in response to a new generation of heavy oceangoing ironclads entering service in Sieuxerr and Anglia and Lechernt. Although built overseas in Hallia, the Young Choung and Young Ahn are still remembered as Menghe's first battleships. In the Romaja transliteration system used today, their names are rendered Yŏngjŏng and Yŏng'an respectively; at the time of their commissioning, the Stuart-Lavender system for romanizing Menghean was still in use.

Technical Characteristics:
Displacement: 3,452 tons (full)
Length: 67.5 m overall
Beam: 14.9 m
Draft: 5.63 m (full)
Propulsion: one-shaft steam engine, 4,180 shp
Speed: 12.2 knots
Complement: 212 officers and men
Armament (1875):
Armored ram
4 x 220mm muzzle-loading gun

In the first half of the 19th century, Menghe experienced a series of humiliating naval defeats against the Western colonial powers. During the Uzeri Rebellion of 1822-1824, Myŏn Dynasty forces clashed with the Anglian Royal Navy at the Battle of Sơn Hái Point and the Battle of the Baekyong Gulf, suffering heavy losses which left the country's southern ports open to attack. Thirty years later, during the Brothel War of 1851-1853, Sylvan warships inflicted an equally severe defeat at the First Battle of Hwangsa Bay, annihilating the light coastal junks of the Myŏn Navy and sailing up the Ŭm River to bombard Sunju. This engagement witnessed the trapping and destruction of the entire South Sea Fleet, which had been built up at great expense following the clashes with Anglia in the 1820s.

The Brothel War and the unequal treaties that followed finally tipped the balance of power in the Imperial Court in favor of the pro-modernization faction. In 1856, the last Myŏn emperor issued the Imperial Rescript on Modernizing the Navy, which formally endorsed the goal of building a modern war fleet armed with the latest Western technology. Funds for the fleet modernization program, however, were short in coming, and many Western powers were wary of selling arms to a country that could use them to restrict future trade. A handful of sail-driven frigates were delivered in the early 1860s, but armor-plated and steam-driven warships were already poised to render this small fleet obsolete.

The year 1866 saw the commissioning of heavy oceangoing ironclads in Anglia and Lechernt and Sieuxerr. Rumored to be immune to existing ships' cannon fire, these enormous warships could also deploy on long voyages overseas, unlike the small coastal and river monitors of inter-Casaterran wars. Menghe once again faced the prospect of possessing a war fleet which would be unable to inflict serious damage on colonial navies. Yet Menghe was in no position to respond quickly to the new threat: General Kim Ryung-sŏng had launched a major insurrection the previous year, and his forces were now marching on the capital at Junggyŏng. The country's already strained treasury was directed to the purchase of flintlock rifles and cannons, and two brand-new frigates in Anchŏn Harbor were scuttled to prevent the rebels from capturing them.

It was only in 1871, after repeated rebel offensives on land stalled out, that naval modernization could resume. After the last Myŏn emperor's suicide, pro-modernization thinkers and officials had established an anti-rebel rump state known as the Namyang Government, or more formally the Emergency Provisional Government. Though their main goal was the defeat of the Sinyi rebels and the reunification of Menghe, Namyang politicians also had to contend with the threat of foreign intervention. In 1872, Namyang leaders were finally able to secure funding for two ironclad warships. Because Menghe's economy was not yet industrialized, and its domestic steelworking sector was highly immature, both ironclads were to be designed and built in Hallia, which refrained from engaging in either of the two previous foreign interventions in Menghe. They were laid down in 1872 and 1873, and delivered in 1875.

Knowing that it was futile to confront the large navies of the major Casaterran powers on the open ocean, and still held back by shoestring budgets, Namyang emissaries requested that their Hallian contractors design coastal defense ships. According to the Namyang Government's naval construction plan, one ironclad would be stationed in Sunju to patrol Hwangsa Bay and the Ŭm River Delta; the other would be stationed in Chasŏ to patrol the wide Meng River Estuary. Because both of these rivers deposited large amounts of silt, the new ships needed a relatively shallow draft, which would also allow them to access berths slightly upriver. Yet they would also have to be able to sortie modest distances out to sea and reinforce one another's stations.

Following Casaterran naval theory second-hand, Namyang representatives shared the conclusion that ramming was the only reliable means of sinking ironclad warships, especially oceangoing ironclads of over 4,000 tons. Accordingly, the new Menghean ironclads would be built around forged steel rams, and equipped with steam engines to accelerate more easily toward the target.

Gun armament consisted of four 22-centimeter muzzle-loading cannons located in a central armored battery on the deck. A rotating turret was considered, but rejected, for two reasons. First, a turret could break down during routine service, and because Menghe's machine-working sector was still underdeveloped, spare parts would have to be imported from abroad. Second, the turret drive could jam as a result of ramming, shell impacts, or sustained firing. Instead, the four guns were mounted on tracks inside the armored battery. The aft gun pair could traverse 30 degrees to either side. The forward guns were on longer rails, and could either traverse across the same range through broadside ports, or traverse to fire directly forward through an additional pair of firing ports. This arrangement allowed the ship to fire on an enemy vessel while attempting to ram, or fire to either side if a ramming attempt missed. As built, the ships carried no other armament.

At the time of the ironclads' construction, the Namyang Government's zone of control did not include any coal mines, and its navy was entirely reliant on imported coal. In virtually all peacetime operations, including the delivery voyages across the northern part of the Meridian Ocean, the Young Choung class ironclads relied on sail power alone, reserving steam power for battles and drills.

Operational Service:
The two Young Choung-class ironclads never had the opportunity to face off against the Casaterran oceangoing ironclads they were designed to face. The Namyang Government maintained good relations with most foreign powers during the remaining years of the 19th century, in part because of its shrewd diplomacy and generous trading concessions. Young Ahn did take part in a number of naval campaigns against Sinyi forces during the 1880s, where she mostly encountered wooden ships. From 1890 onward she remained in Chanam to protect the Meng River Estuary.

Part of this unimpressive service record stemmed from the ships' unimpressive characteristics. Though ordered as part of an effort to modernize the Menghean Navy, they were already nearing obsolescence at the time of their delivery, and subsequent Namyang battleships overshadowed them. The design's emphasis on ramming, itself a questionable tactic, was undermined by their modest speed: newer enemy warships could outrun them with ease. Both the armored battery and the crew quarters were cramped, wet, and uncomfortable, and the six large gun ports created serious holes in the armor. Despite efforts to reduce draft, Young Ahn ran agound on a sandbar in 1879, and Young Choung ran aground in 1876, 1882, and 1884; the estuaries where they operated were poorly charted and constantly changing with erosion and deposition, a phenomenon which ultimately may have been more effective at preventing ever-larger Casaterran ships from threatening the ports they defended.

Young Ahn was refitted in 1882, her rigging replaced by two freestanding masts and her raised quarterdeck fitted with four quick-firing guns to fend off torpedo boats. Young Choung underwent similar refits at some point in the late 1880s. Despite plans to convert the two ironclads into central battery ships with high-velocity breechloading guns, the Namyang Government left the main armament as it had been.

After the formation of the Federative Republic of Menghe in 1901, the Young Choung-class ironclads fell out of active service and were converted to storeships. Young Choung was gutted by fire in 1905 and written off as a total loss; her charred hulk sat at the docks in Sunju for several years before a scrap buyer was found. Young Ahn was decommissioned in 1908, and after a fervent last-ditch effort by the Menghwa Historical Society failed to raise enough funds to pay for her preservation, she was sold for scrap in 1911.

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Post subject: Re: The Iron-Clad Menace (Challenge)Posted: January 13th, 2021, 4:08 am
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Smoke And Iron: The Adriatic Ram Race:
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-The clash of ironclad rams at Lissa was a profound event throughout the naval world. There were lessons to be learned. Some nations rejected the idea that naval warfare should be based around capital ships fighting head-on, other embraced it. The Republic of Venice was one of these nations. They had not survived the last hundred years with ease. Spanish and French support was the only thing that had kept them from total annexation by Austria, and with the new war to unify Italy, a strong armed forces was more important than ever. The land war had stalemated with both sides dug in deep, and the Venetian-Italian alliance looked to the sea to make headway in the war. The defeat at Lissa had only shown the Italian alliance that the days of the line-of-battle ship were over, and tactics had to change. Austrian heavily armored rams had broken through the numerically superior Allied fleet and wreaked havoc on the older steam and sail ships, both armored and unarmored alike. After their heavy losses at the battle, both Italy and Venice looked to their lead naval designers to come up with a weapon to defeat the Austrian rams. Venetian naval designers produced a novel design, a hybrid between the older line-of-battle ships and the new-era ironclad rams. They were built directly in response to the ship most feared after the battle of Lissa: The Erzherzog Ferdinand Max.
They were to carry a main battery of 8-inch guns; the largest guns ever mounted on a Venetian warship. They were approximately 330 feet long, with a beam of 55 feet and a draft of 20 feet.
Armament: Though their main battery was formidable in size and caliber, (10 8-inch guns gave it the heaviest main battery of any Adriatic warship) its primary weapon was it's massive ram bow, reinforced with iron framing and fasteners.The guns were smoothbore muzzle loaders, the largest in service on either side, and built to an English design. Ballistics testing had shown them to be able to crack 4.5-inch armor plating at extreme combat ranges. The ship's main battery guns were arranged so that it could fire forward with 2 of it's main guns while engaged in ramming. Additionally, two 40-pounder Armstrong rifled breech-loading guns were mounted at the bow and stern, with collapsible bulwarks on either side. These guns were intended to rotate on their mounts in order to fire explosive shells at enemy ships in a close or medium range action to spread chaos on deck and destroy important components like masts and command structures. All in all, they were the most heavily armed ships in the Mediterranean when commissioned.
Armor: All main guns were encased in an iron box amidships, plated with 4.5 inches of wrought-iron armor. The remainder of the hull was given 1.5-inch splinter protection. Machinery was located centrally, and as such was protected by the same armor as the main battery guns. The framing and fastening in the center battery box was all iron as well, just like the bow. A similar structure had been built on a floating platform and tested with the ship's 10-inch guns during firing excercises prior to service, and held up well at combat ranges. Hardwood was layered for 13.5 inches behind the armor plating. An additional 1-inch layer of iron was placed halfway through the hardwood layering. This experimental scheme was intended to protect against newer rifled guns firing armor piercing shells. The conning tower structure aft of the foremast was plated in 8 inches.
Machinery: As with most warships of the period, the ships were engined with a single-expansion steam engine. Manufactured by the Naval Engineering Works at the Great Arsenal, the engine was geared to two screws, unlike many of the contemporary ships of the period. Providing steam were 12 rectangular boilers, manufactured by the same facility. Coal capacity gave a range of about 1,800 nautical miles, more than enough for Mediterannean service. The machinery was arranged along the vessel's centerline, with 2 boiler rooms of 6 boilers each arranged in front of the engines. Design speed was 12 knots, but in service the vessel only managed to achieve 10.5 knots. 11.5 was achieved on a good day with both steam and sail, but their speed left something to be desired.
Construction and service: Both ships were laid down at the Grand Arsenal in Venice in December of 1866, the largest ever built at the yard. They were completed August of 1867. Construction had clearly been at a frenzied pace, mainly due to the need to rebuild the fleet after Lissa, and as a result several flaws had to be rectified. The funnels were hightened and given vented caps to prevent smoke interference with anyone standing on top of the aft command structure, the aft admirals walk was hightened to prevent sea spray, and the bow and stern rotating gun mounts barely even worked when commissioned, and had to be replaced twice before finally getting their kinks ironed out. Aside from several other minor issues, the ships entered service in January of 1868, too late to see service in the war. Both ships remained in service, largely unchanged, until 1882, when they were re-armed with 6-inch RBL guns, and had their armor replaced with Krupp Steel. Their masts were also replaced with military style pole masts with searchlights. The rotating guns were replaced with 4.5-inch RBL guns, and 8 6-pounder guns and 4 machine guns were also shipped. The ship was reboilered and re-engined as well, with a new triple-expansion engine. She was good for 14 knots after this. They were still in service, reclassfied as armored cruisers, when WW1 broke out. As when they were first designed, the land war rapidly stalemated, with entrenched Italian and Venetian forces digging in the mountains and exchanging artillery fire. The cruisers were deployed to Taranto, to assist in ensuring the safe passage of convoys into the Adriatic. Dante Alighieri was on convoy escort duty in 1915 (ironically, the convoy had to slow it's speed to keep up with it, rather than the other way around) when it was torpedoed by an Austrian submarine. The outdated and tired ship instantly detonated, splitting it in half. Only 25 men survived. Enrico Dandolo, on the other hand, had a more exciting career. It was on it's way to Venice for maintenance from Taranto when it encountered 3 Austrian destroyers. The Austrian ships instantly closed to range, with 2 of them drawing fire from the ship's main guns while another closed in. The Austrians fired 2 torpedos and over 25 shells into the Enrico Dandolo, setting her aflame from stem to stern. She began to list heavily to port before capsizing and exploding. 70 men survived the sinking. Their guns were taken off the wrecks, and were transferred to new cruisers along with their names.

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Post subject: Re: The Iron-Clad Menace (Challenge)Posted: January 18th, 2021, 10:11 pm
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King Eisen I-class battleship

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The King Eisens were the second group of full-iron battleships built by the Antarans in their attempt to keep up with the Aemoric navies. King Eisen I ditched the three gun deck set up that was the mainstay of previous generation ship-of-the-lines and settled with a single deck with a heavy battery. Her citadel was armoured with 178mm iron plates while her extended belt was at most 152mm. While Antara's industry was growing rapidly, the quality of its product was subpar for its time, particularly with the strength of its iron, which would not reach Aemoric standards for another 20 years.

King Eisen I and Duchess of Cascadia were both launched several months before Antara's war with Saliam began in 1178 and saw action against the empire. The Duchess won an unsurprising victory against the Salian wooden-hulled battleship Dévastateur in February 1179, however celebrations were short as the Antaran vessel suffered a structural failure which caused massive flooding. The Duchess capsized to her starboard, creating a maritime hazard in the port of Angel Bay for 13 years due to the difficulty of removing her wreckage.

King Eisen I took part in the Battle of Cabot Landing in October 1179 without her sistership. The battleship was rammed by the ironclad frigate Devoir after an unsuccessful broadside attack from both parties, with the latter overcome by flooding. Later throughout the battle another frigate, the L'exécuteur boarded the King Eisen-I which had run adrift due to a boiler failure and was captured. The Salian crew too were unable to solve the boiler problem and had to be towed to the still Salian held town of Ferguson. Eisen was renamed to Repenti and entirely re-engined. Repenti was scrapped several years after the war in 1194.

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Ships in class

King Eisen I - captured, 1179, scrapped, 1194
Duchess of Cascadia - capsized, 1179


Tonnage - 4800 tonnes standard
Speed - 13 knots under steam power
Range - 1400nm at 10 knots
Armament - 4xI 305mm/13, 4xI 203mm/15, 16xI 127mm, all muzzle-loaded shell guns
Armor - 178mm citadel, 152mm extended belt, 25mm decks, 203mm conning tower

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Post subject: Re: The Iron-Clad Menace (Challenge)Posted: January 19th, 2021, 5:36 pm
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Admiral Burdina-Class Battleship
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The Burdina-Class Ironclad was ordered shortly following the news of Utinorebea's Bahulyam ironclad. Utinorebea was always considered to be behind in naval technology, relying on it's land power, but a new administration began measures to push the envelope of ship design. The Bahulyam came as a means to even out Myrodraethian and Arandish numerical advantages, both of whom had large fleets, but many were aging.

Arand has held pride in it's navy for eons, prioritizing it as it's main means of defending the nation's island homeland. Arand constantly developed new naval technology itself and not one to fall behind, immediately began development of a similar ironclad using breech-loaded guns and explosive shells. The result was the Burdina-class, first setting sail with the AIS Gerlaria just a few years later. Named after recently-passed Admiral Estebe Burdina who was nicknamed "Ironguts" for the slew of injuries he faced in his career, the new battleship was highly advanced in of itself. It was the first ship to utilize turrets, and the first ocean-going mastless ship. Through the next several years the Arandish navy would produce four such ships.

The Burdina class would serve well: it was critical in several wars. Though largely obsolete by 288, it fought in the battle of Muladhanam and sunk several enemy ships.
The AIS Salamander, pictured above, sunk the Utinorebean flagship UKK Vanashatya in said battle. According to eyewitness reports, the Salamander, under a barrage of enemy fire and low on ammunition itself, stockpiled it's remaining ammo to the front and rammed the Vanashatya. Both ships were sunk in the ensuing explosion. According to eyewitnesses the Salamander's commander, one Captain Aritza, shouted "witness me" as they collided.
Following the Battle of Muladhanam and the end of the 15th Myrodraeth-Utinorebean War all Burdina-class ships were retired. Two were scrapped, but the Gerlaria remains as a museum ship in Arand's capital.

Length: 296 feet
Armament: 4x 12 inch guns
Displacement: 7,110 tons
Speed: 14.1 knots
Complement: 380

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