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Author: | Karle94 [ November 5th, 2018, 7:48 am ] |
Post subject: | American Dreadnoughts - Possible Alternatives |
I've been thinking about this one for quiet some time. What would an American dreadnought look like if the designers did not have the foresight to use the all-centerline superfiring turrets straight away, what if they had wing mounted turrets like the European BBs. This first design is a BB with two wing mounted turrets in addition to the superfiring turrets ala South Carolina. The overall size is that of the Delaware class, same speed as well. I wanted to keep the rather unique appearance of the South Carolina whilst still making her bigger and more powerful all the same.
Next up is the BB26 Design 2 that has no superfiring turrets, and a grand total of four wing mounted turrets and one turret fore and aft. The length is the same. Armor is also the same, though its layout is slightly different. Unlike design 1 (see above,) design 2 is a flush decked ship to better handle all the weight out at the sides, and as such, her profile strongly resembles the Tennessee class armored cruisers with the decks rising greatly at both ends. This also neccessitates the placement of hull mounted casemates that will never be used because of sea-wash. Design number 3 closely followes the layout that was used on the HMS Dreadnought. After all, the most sincerest form of flattery is imitation. Her size, speed and armor is the same as design number one. I've been wanting to get these ones off my chest for quite some time, finally took the time to finish them. This is the alternate versions for the USS Delaware BS28. Design number one is a mix of the Delaware and the succeeding Florida class. With the semi-turtleneck deck and the aft smokestack behind the main mast. In addition the rear turrets are arranged differently. Design number two ditches the forward superfiring turret, and moves it to the middle, alongside turret number four in a staggered en-echelon arrangement. The Florida-esque semi turtleneck break is changed to a more Delaware like break. The cranes are mirrored on each side to accomodate the turrets being mirrored. Design number three is the same as design number two, except the mid mounted turrets are placed on the centerline in a superfireing layout. Design number 4 returns the forward superfiring turret, keeping one turret mounted on the centerline amidships. Next up is not actually a battleship, but a battlecruiser. Designed 1908, the CC01 Design 1 sports 8x12 inch guns and 22x5 inch guns. The turrets are non-superfiring, with two placed amidships in an en-echelon also known as a staggered layout. With nothing in between and/or around, the turrets are capable of firing to either side, despite the winged turrets. The hull is based on the New York, but streamlined for higher speed, and some features lifted from the armored cruisers built before. She has moderate armor, with 8 inched of belt armor, and 10 inches of armor on the conning turret and turret faces. Her top speed is 27 knots with a range of 7500 nm. She has a tall, flush deck for better sea keeping, and maintaining a high speed in rough seas in order to overtake other cruisers.
This one is a more "conventional" design for the CC01, with superfireing all mid-mounted turrets and two big funnels. This next one is a possible what-if the US had purchased the two ships of the Rivadavia class and pressed them into US service. She is repainted and reflagged. All Argentinian searchlights have been replaced with American ones, and the boats have been changed as well. I removed the four 4"/50 guns, and replaced them with the 3"/50 AA guns, and placed them in better positions. I also replaced the directors with American ones. |
Author: | Shigure [ November 5th, 2018, 8:09 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: American Dreadnoughts - Possible Alternatives |
Very nice! So is there also a possibility of you drawing Florida, Wyoming and Delaware now? |
Author: | Hood [ November 5th, 2018, 9:27 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: American Dreadnoughts - Possible Alternatives |
Looks good, but how much beam have you got? I would have thought the superstructure would have been recessed around the midships turret area to allow it to traverse. |
Author: | Karle94 [ November 5th, 2018, 4:11 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: American Dreadnoughts - Possible Alternatives |
Very nice!
I am thinking of the same ship, but whith a Nassau style layout of her main guns. No superfiring guns at all.So is there also a possibility of you drawing Florida, Wyoming and Delaware now?
Looks good, but how much beam have you got?
Ah, forgot about the shading there. The beam is 26 meters, or 85,3 feet, slightly more than the Dreadnought.
I would have thought the superstructure would have been recessed around the midships turret area to allow it to traverse. |
Author: | BB1987 [ November 5th, 2018, 5:20 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: American Dreadnoughts - Possible Alternatives |
An interest try could be keeping th wing turrets but ditching the forward superfiring mount. It would give quite the original feel to a USN build. |
Author: | Karle94 [ November 5th, 2018, 6:28 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: American Dreadnoughts - Possible Alternatives |
A configuration ala Orion class? That could work. When I start working on the non-superfiring Nassau like BB, I want to keep it a flush decked ship, similar to the last classes of armored cruisers. Hull wise, they were almost identical to the battleships. |
Author: | Colombamike [ November 5th, 2018, 8:29 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: American Dreadnoughts - Possible Alternatives |
So is there also a possibility of you drawing Florida, Wyoming and Delaware now?
David-Latuch has already draw these shipsI hope that Karle94 & David Latuch join together to improve these drawings South Carolina class: http://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7727 Delaware Class: http://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8557 Florida Class: http://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8675 |
Author: | Shigure [ November 5th, 2018, 9:41 pm ] | ||
Post subject: | Re: American Dreadnoughts - Possible Alternatives | ||
So is there also a possibility of you drawing Florida, Wyoming and Delaware now?
David-Latuch has already draw these shipsI hope that Karle94 & David Latuch join together to improve these drawings South Carolina class: http://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=7727 Delaware Class: http://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8557 Florida Class: http://shipbucket.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=12&t=8675 |
Author: | Karle94 [ November 6th, 2018, 2:57 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: American Dreadnoughts - Possible Alternatives |
I have added the design 2 to the original post. I also updated design 1 with the recesses in the superstructure to make space for turret rotation. As for some earlier posts, I will update my Delaware and Florida classes, although I am currently working back to front, so they will be the last ones. As for the South Carolina class, I never drew any of them so I wont be doing any of them as part of my redux project. |
Author: | Shigure [ November 6th, 2018, 8:16 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: American Dreadnoughts - Possible Alternatives |
Very interesting |
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