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Author:  heuhen [ January 10th, 2019, 5:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ocean liner challenge
I have updated my ocean liner a little bit.

made her 5 meter longer, changed the bow, moved superstructure 4-5 meter more aft at the front and added 1 more deck. to make it look more a like a vessel designed for passenger transport and not something that are trying to look better then other vessel aka. "Hotel ship"
Author:  Shigure [ January 14th, 2019, 5:05 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ocean liner challenge
Errant Express class ocean liner

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The Errant Express, along with sistership SS Resplendant Charity, were two ocean liners displacing 61 000 tonnes standard and capable of carrying around 3000 passengers. Errant Express had a cruising speed of 22 knots and a maximum speed of 25 knots. Both were designed to be able to travel across the Atlantic or Pacific Ocean. Launched during WW1, both ships were first utilized by the Antaran Navy to ferry soldiers before being released to their original company.

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Resplendant Charity during World War 1.

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Errant Express as she appeared for Operation Downfall during World War Two.

Ships in class

Errant Express - grounded and illegally salvaged, 1946
Resplendant Charity - sunk as reef ship, 1970
Author:  1143M [ January 16th, 2019, 12:07 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ocean liner challenge
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Type C4-class cargo ship rebuild into a ocean liner.After WWII many cargo ships were sold as surplus materials，Communist China purchased some of them by special channels，After the founding of the People's Republic of China，Overseas Chinese need ocean liner to return to their motherland，But then China were short of Passenger liner.A Type C4-class cargo ship selected to rebuild into a ocean liner in 1954，Completed in 1958.The ship named Guanghua (光华）and consign to China Ocean Shipping Company,retirement in 1980.
Author:  Rowdy36 [ January 22nd, 2019, 9:53 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ocean liner challenge
A somewhat last minute decision to enter this comp - the Orleans Class ocean liner:

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SS Orleans (1935)
SS Rossiter (1939)

Displacement: 49,950t
Length: 260.6m
Beam: 30.1m
Draft: 10.2m
Speed: 32kn (max), 28kn (service)
Passengers: 1,750
Crew: 862

A class of two ships designed for speed and comfort, serving the routes from Esperance to Cape Town and Esperance to Southampton. Due to their use in the tropics they were designed to enable air flow and ventilation for cooling as well as making extensive use of new technologies in air conditioning, with their interiors reflecting this approach as well as providing a more relaxed ambience than the more formal aesthetic prevalent on contemporary transatlantic liners. While fitted with a catapult and aircraft facilities for more efficient and wider ranging mail delivery, these was removed from SS Orleans 4 years into its service and SS Rossiter was built without one. Both ships had their maiden voyages prior to the start of World War 2 (though SS Rossiter by only a few months), and saw wartime service as troopships primarily transporting Recherchean, Australian and New Zealand troops to Egypt and England. Upon the return of peace and the repatriation of service men and women, both ships resumed service on their pre-war routes and, increasingly, on cruise voyages. SS Rossiter was sold for scrap in 1972, but SS Orleans managed to survive and is a permanent exhibit and conference centre at the National Maritime Museum in Esperance Harbour.

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A sister ship - SS Victoria - was built in Australia for the Australian Line to serve Pacific routes, primarily between Sydney and Los Angeles/Auckland.

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Author:  BB1987 [ January 22nd, 2019, 11:33 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Ocean liner challenge
Truly splendid Rowdy!
Author:  Hood [ January 22nd, 2019, 12:54 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ocean liner challenge
There is some really nice work in this challenge.
Author:  emperor_andreas [ January 22nd, 2019, 1:15 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ocean liner challenge
VERY nice work, Rowdy!

I hope no one minds if I make an entry. I first posted this about five years ago, but have made a few modifications. If it's not eligible due to being a kitbash, please let me know and I'll delete it.

The flagship of Germania's Knight's Cross Line, the IMS Empress Kōjun, named for the wife of Japan's Emperor Shōwa. The preceding two ships in the class are the IMS Empress Shōken (a copy of Cunard's RMS Queen Mary, named for the wife of Emperor Meiji) and IMS Empress Teimei (a copy of Cunard's RMS Queen Elizabeth, named for the wife of Emperor Taisho).

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Author:  acelanceloet [ January 27th, 2019, 1:23 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ocean liner challenge
Early in 1935 the Holland Amerika Lijn (HAL) started to work on the design of an new passenger liner. This ship would have to become the new HAL flagship, a 36000 registerton ship with space for 1250 passengers. In a time of economical issues in the Netherlands, building this ship could mean the difference between surviving or failing. There were some issues from the beginning though.
First of all, HAL could not finance the full construction costs of 12.5 million Gulden, but since employment was low the government decided to finance part of the costs if the ship would be build in the Netherlands. The order was given to an combination of shipyards, P.Smit Jr., RDM, De Schelde, Werkspoor and Wilton. The RDM would be the main contractor which would have the final responsibility.
One issue remained: 750.000 Gulden were still not financed. The yards decided to finance 450.000, with the workers being paid after delivery of the ship for the remaining 300.000 Gulden.

The construction of the Nieuw Amsterdam, as the ship would be called, would be one of the yards biggest projects. Not only because of the size of the ship, but also because no ship like it was ever build. The construction site was visited by multiple ministers and even foreign government officials. Internationally speaking, the ship was not that big and not that fast, but her superstructure was rounded and streamlined, being inspired by the American designer Normal Bell Geddes. Forward and aft were 'garden areas', enclosed by large glass panes which could be opened if the weather allowed it. The HAL commissioned the famous Dutch Artists of the time to create artwork and interiors for the ship. In a way, this ship would become known as a representation of the Dutch as an maritime nation. Interesting too is the fact that the ship was, unlike many ships of her time, build without any provisions for wartime use.

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The ship had the following main dimensions:
* Length between Perpendiculars: 213,36m
* Beam: 26,82m
* Depth: 16,75m
* Draft: 9,62m
* Passengers: 1220
* Crew : 702
* Lloyds 100 A 1 Class

The ship was build for transatlantic service with an speed of 20.5 knots. Power to reach this speed is delivered by a 34000 shp twin shaft steam turbine powerplant. The 6 boilers are of the Yarrow type and the turbines of the Parsons type, both build by Werkspoor and De Schelde. Two diesel generators deliver electrical power when at full speed, in emergencies or when the main machinery is shut down.

The ship carried sixteen Fleming type lifeboats with 99 person capacity, 4 motor sloops for passenger transfer which can carry 62 persons and 2 rescue boats with searchlight and radio, with an capacity of 57 persons.

The ship entered service in april 1938, She made some travels until 1940, when the German Invasion of the Netherlands made the ship no longer able to make her return journey from New York. After lying there for 6 months, she entered an US yard to be stripped of her furnishings and to be used as troop carrier. She was fitted with an 76mm gun on the stern and AA gun platforms and was considered fast enough to make her trips unescorted. The ship had the honor to be the first ship to enter liberated Rotterdam in 1945.
After the war, the ship once again entered the RDM to be rebuild. Her original fittings were shipped from the US, were they were rotting in an warehouse. No cost was spared to return the ship to her original splendour, and she entered HAL service again at the end of 1946. Now with her hull painted a lighter grey, she served the HAL all the way to 1973, her final years as a cruise ship.
Author:  erik_t [ January 27th, 2019, 1:47 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ocean liner challenge
I think this is my favorite drawing so far. I do wonder about the economics of a 20 knot versus a 25 knot ship (achieving 25 ought to be pretty easy on a hull this long).

Is there any visible difference between the lifeboats, motor sloops, and rescue boats? If so, it's lost on me.
Author:  acelanceloet [ January 27th, 2019, 1:55 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Ocean liner challenge
The speed and machinery were completely based on the original Nieuw Amsterdam, which I replaced in the timeline. Could it go faster? probably. But it would have lost something else in the process :P

And yes, there is a difference, the motor sloops and rescue boats have a less full hull then the lifeboats, with the rescue boats only differing from the motor sloops by the on board equipment, visible only by the different shape of weather cover on top. from the front, the first sloops are rescue boats, the second and last motor sloops, and the rest lifeboats.
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