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Charybdis
Post subject: Re: Second World War Aircraft Carrier ChallengePosted: August 11th, 2020, 11:06 am
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I couldn't resist this one!

Type: Flight Deck Cruiser
Class: Ticonderoga
Length: 640ft w.l.
Dislacement: 12,500 standard
Speed: 34kts
SHP: 100,000
Cruising radius at 15kts: 10,000nm
Main Battery: 6 x 6"/47
Secodary Battery: 1 x 5"
AA: 4 x 1.1"quads, 17 x .50 cal
Main Belt: 3.6" waterline
Protective Deck: 8.5"
Planes: 36

The Ticonderoga Class Flight Deck Cruisers were designed in the late 30's to bypass the Naval Treaty limitations on carriers. Originally 3 ships were ordered; only CROWN POINT was laid down in 1939 at the Fore River shipyard in Quincy but TICONDEROGA (CF-1) and ORISKANY (CF-3) were cancelled in favour of CVL's. Completion was delayed by six months due to moving the centerline elevator to the deck edge after the successful trial in WASP. Builders trials clocked a speed of 35kts, 1 kts more than designed. Commissioned in May 1941, she had her shakedown cruise off Trinidad and was then, after a brief overhaul in Pearl, assigned to the Asiatic fleet in the Philippines. On the outbreak of war with Japan, CROWN POINT was at anchor in Manilla Bay and escaped to Australia, evading high level bombing and a submarine attack en route. She lost half of her air group which had been destroyed on the ground while based ashore at Cavite.

After replenishing in Perth, CROWN POINT spent the early period of 1942 harrying the Japanese invasion of the East Indies and planes from VS-21 scored two hits on the Japanese Cruiser HAGURO and as well as damaging two army transports. Badly damaged in the battle of Coral Sea, CROWN POINT limped back to the West Coast for an extensive overhaul where the flight deck was extended, a second elevator fitted and her AA fit upgraded.

In 1945, she was hit by a kamakaze while supporting the invasion of Okinawa and again returned to the States for repairs. After the war, she was converted to a helicopter carrier/command ship and served in Korea. After rejecting the possiblility of a Terrier conversion she was decommissioned and sold to Taiwan in 1955.

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Post subject: Re: Second World War Aircraft Carrier ChallengePosted: August 11th, 2020, 11:17 am
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If I could see the ship, it would be better!

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Charybdis
Post subject: Re: Second World War Aircraft Carrier ChallengePosted: August 11th, 2020, 11:24 am
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I can see it. I'm using Dropbox, does that work on here?

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Post subject: Re: Second World War Aircraft Carrier ChallengePosted: August 11th, 2020, 11:50 am
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works fine for me, good to see someone drawing the nicest of the cruiser-carrier designs.

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Post subject: Re: Second World War Aircraft Carrier ChallengePosted: August 11th, 2020, 11:57 am
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I can see it Char. No problems here mate

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Post subject: Re: Second World War Aircraft Carrier ChallengePosted: August 11th, 2020, 12:06 pm
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Just dropping to critique a drawing that can easily go from good to excellent.
The aircraft look plain and bad, new window colour, a bit more detail and a proper scheme would do wonders.
I really dislike the black line outlining the transom and the hull knuckle, not being 90° angles I believe they shouldn't be black but rather a dark shade, same with the bilge keel inside line and the top of the skeg but that's more arguable.
Overhanging structures could use some sideways support imo, up to you.
AFAIK a radar on the surface director, and not fitting SG and SC-1 is not appropriate for the era but Colo would be the ultimate arbiter for this.

Easy and quick things to bring this one up a notch, go for first always!

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Post subject: Re: Second World War Aircraft Carrier ChallengePosted: August 11th, 2020, 12:18 pm
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The little carrier that could. I love it!

Oh and I think there is a white pixel size space under forward turret, like it is not fixed to the deck.

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Post subject: Re: Second World War Aircraft Carrier ChallengePosted: August 11th, 2020, 12:56 pm
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Now I can see, thx :D

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Post subject: Re: Second World War Aircraft Carrier ChallengePosted: August 11th, 2020, 3:32 pm
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Cool stuff. I agree with all of Char's points above and will add a few comments:

1. The Mark 8 radar was not introduced until 1943 - the Mark 34 director would likely not be equipped with any kind of radar at all in 1941. If you are set on giving it a radar system, you could use the Mark 3 "FC" set -- this set was fitted to BOISE during the ship's service with the Asiatic Fleet, so it would make sense on your CVL given its backstory.

2. "Measure 12 Graded" should just be called "Measure 12"

3. Only one 5" gun seems anemic for such a ship - does the original design just call for this armament? I would want to increase 5" armament by at least one more gun (preferably 3 more) -- with two on the gallery decks aft of the .50-cal tubs, and one on the fantail.

4. This ship may have been among the first to receive Mark 44 directors for the 1.1" quads, but up to you

5. Are the bow .50-cal positions part of the original design? It seems like a bad position for these guns but admittedly I'm not sure where else you could put them to cover the forward arc

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Post subject: Re: Second World War Aircraft Carrier ChallengePosted: August 12th, 2020, 3:24 pm
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Spain. Aircraft carrier Numancia (Príncipe de Asturias class)

The history of the ship is inspired in the AU "Mancomunidad Hispanica" (only available in Spanish). In it, Spain avoids participation in the Napoleonic wars and preserves its empire, fragmenting the "reinos" (kingdoms) similar to the Commonwealth domains.

The Numancia was the second of the Prince of Asturias class (Prince of Asturias, Numancia and Real) and the first to be commissioned. It was named after the ironclad Numancia, Méndez Núñez's flagship in the battle of Callao, and the first ironclad to go circumnavigating the globe. Numancia was an Iberian city that fought against the Romans in the second century B.C.; like Masada, but the siege endured for ten years. In Spanish, "resistencia numantina" (numantine resistance) means heroic struggle to the end.

The Prince of Asturias class was ordered in response to the Japanese naval expansion, to complement the Glorious class (Glorioso, Dédalo, Lepanto). They were "auxiliary aircraft carriers" that could be built in civilian shipyards, as the military were overloaded with new constructions. They were to carry the machinery of the heavy cruisers of the Balearic class (8 Yarrow boilers) but with two set turbo-electric drive ant two shafts.

The Prince of Asturias was launched in 1938 and the Numancia in 1939, but the beginning of the war stopped the works, when the Prince was 70% finished and the Numancia 55%. The work resumed in 1943, with a modified project to take lessons of the war experience. As Numancia was more delayed, it required less modifications, and could be the first to be completed. Although initially they were going to be very similar to the Glorioso, on the Numancia the elevators were relocated on the starboard side, to increase the space in in hangar and deck. The flight deck was enlarged and modified catapults of higher power were installed. Instead of the original armament (120mm and 37mm guns), it carried eight semi-automatic double towers CETME with 60L55 guns. The secondary artillery was 34 25 mm machine guns in single and double mounts. It was unarmoured, except for the 25 mm steel flight deck. Carried up to 54 aircraft (30 Hispano Aviación HA-50 fighters, 18 CASA C-103 bombers, and 6 Aerotécnica AC-10 helicopters).

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The Numancia was commissioned in November 1944 and after her shakedown cruise she conducted neutrality patrols in the Atlantic. In February 1945 a pro-Japanese coup d'état in Manila took place, and Spain declared war against Japan. The Numancia was included in the Far East squadron, along with the Glorioso and Dédalo, participating in the recapture of the Philippines. In 1948 she returned to Spain, being used as a training aircraft carrier. He passed to the reserve in 1953, but in 1967 he was reactivated as LPH, with Nova N-30 helicopters, and later with VSTOL CASA C-107 fighters. However, its machines were in poor condition, and the Numancia was withdrawn in 1979. It’s preserved in Valencia.

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General characteristics:
Displacement: 31.700 t light; 32.500 t standard; 47.000 t full load
Dimensions: Length 213 m, beam 25 m, draught 6 m
Machinery: 8 boilers Yarrow, 2 turbo – electric drive, 2 shafts. 100.000 sph. Speed: 27 knots.
Armament: 8 x 2 60L65 guns, 23 25L90 machine guns.
Aircraft carried: 54.

Sorry for my poor English.

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