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wkstl
Post subject: Soviet/Russian Naval Tactical Surface-to-Surface MissilesPosted: December 28th, 2015, 12:40 pm
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Well, this is a rebuild of Soviet/Russian Naval Tactical Surface-to-Surface Missiles, and also a completed collection. I fixed many details of missiles and launchers. Somebody said I have did useless work, but my friend and I do believe it is VERY NECESSARY to improve the quality of the sheet.
I'd like this to be the good reference for the drawers of Soviet/Russian warships.

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Post subject: Re: Soviet/Russian Naval Tactical Surface-to-Surface MissilePosted: December 28th, 2015, 2:11 pm
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Hello

Your work is not useless, shame on those who had said so. There are some fine additions here but few items seems bit odd (listed up in bellow). I admit I've always been neglecting the parts sheets despite I've drawn almoust every single soviet/russian weapons system in various occasions.

here's my few nitcpicking on those presented in this sheet:

-Torpedotubes and ASW rocket launchers: check out my sheet of soviet russian artillery posted in the official part sheet forum, those are, even said myself superior to those presented in this sheet (which dates back in the Mconrads days).
-UPRK-3/4 in this sheet seems to be just a kitbash from a P-15 missile which really isen't the case.

Anyways I can dig up my latest drawings of various missile systems and launchers which you can include in these sheets.

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Post subject: Re: Soviet/Russian Naval Tactical Surface-to-Surface MissilePosted: December 28th, 2015, 4:30 pm
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Gollevainen wrote:
Hello

Your work is not useless, shame on those who had said so. There are some fine additions here but few items seems bit odd (listed up in bellow). I admit I've always been neglecting the parts sheets despite I've drawn almoust every single soviet/russian weapons system in various occasions.

here's my few nitcpicking on those presented in this sheet:

-Torpedotubes and ASW rocket launchers: check out my sheet of soviet russian artillery posted in the official part sheet forum, those are, even said myself superior to those presented in this sheet (which dates back in the Mconrads days).
-UPRK-3/4 in this sheet seems to be just a kitbash from a P-15 missile which really isen't the case.

Anyways I can dig up my latest drawings of various missile systems and launchers which you can include in these sheets.
RBU series may note good enough, because I based on the older sheet.

I looked up some papers about Russian ASW weapon system, There is plenty of evidence pointing that the carrier of UPRK-3/4's missile is based on P-15, NOT P-120. P-15 and UPRK-3/4 both were designed by MKB Raduga, but P-120 was designed by NPO Mashinostroyeniye. UPRK-3 was in serve until 1966 (time of Project 1134A's commission), but P-120 was inserve in 1972. So it's impossible that the carrier of UPRK-3/4's missile is based on P-120.

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Post subject: Re: Soviet/Russian Naval Tactical Surface-to-Surface MissilePosted: December 28th, 2015, 4:58 pm
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The ASW missilesystem which the western world calls SS-N-14 Silex is called RPK-3/4 Metel in the Soviet Union/Russia. The orginal system, fitted in Project 1134A (Kresta II) and Project 1134B (Kara) as well as Project 1135 (Krivak). It was solely a ASW missile, similar in concept as the British Ikara. It's guidance radars and launchers varied slightly as the pr.1134A/B used quad launchers KT-106 and the guidance system of the Grom-M (SA-N-3 Goblet SAM) where as pr.1135 used KT-100 launchers and specialised Musson FCR. Later Udaloy class used the KT-106 launchers and the Musson FCR.

The basic Metel was followed by URPK-3/4/5 Rastrub which was an dual role missile with fixed warhead accompanied with smaller torpedo (the Metel only carrier the torpedo). It uses same launchers and same guidance radar's. Most the of the ships originally intended to carry the Metel were later modified to field the Rastrub as well. Udaloy (pr.1155) was fitted to use Rastrub from the start. Externaly these two missiles are identical. Neither of these missiles are based on the P-15 despite beign developted by the same OKB.

Here's my adaption of the missile done while ago.
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Post subject: Re: Soviet/Russian Naval Tactical Surface-to-Surface MissilePosted: December 28th, 2015, 5:41 pm
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This is hardly "useless work." Many parts sheets have been periodically updated and improvements made, and this is a valuable resource with Gollevainen's comments.

I would love to see an up-to-date PRC weapons sheet as well (I haven't seen one, but may have missed it). That would be a very useful resource.


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Post subject: Re: Soviet/Russian Naval Tactical Surface-to-Surface MissilePosted: December 28th, 2015, 7:41 pm
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Very nice work, well done!

The Medvedka seem much different though from that on Pr.1441/1145. Is this a different variant?


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Post subject: Re: Soviet/Russian Naval Tactical Surface-to-Surface MissilePosted: December 29th, 2015, 2:54 am
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seeker36340 wrote:
This is hardly "useless work." Many parts sheets have been periodically updated and improvements made, and this is a valuable resource with Gollevainen's comments.

I would love to see an up-to-date PRC weapons sheet as well (I haven't seen one, but may have missed it). That would be a very useful resource.
Chinese naval SAM and guns have been ready, would you like complete the SSM?

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Post subject: Re: Soviet/Russian Naval Tactical Surface-to-Surface MissilePosted: December 29th, 2015, 7:12 am
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Gollevainen wrote:
The ASW missilesystem which the western world calls SS-N-14 Silex is called RPK-3/4 Metel in the Soviet Union/Russia. The orginal system, fitted in Project 1134A (Kresta II) and Project 1134B (Kara) as well as Project 1135 (Krivak). It was solely a ASW missile, similar in concept as the British Ikara. It's guidance radars and launchers varied slightly as the pr.1134A/B used quad launchers KT-106 and the guidance system of the Grom-M (SA-N-3 Goblet SAM) where as pr.1135 used KT-100 launchers and specialised Musson FCR. Later Udaloy class used the KT-106 launchers and the Musson FCR.

The basic Metel was followed by URPK-3/4/5 Rastrub which was an dual role missile with fixed warhead accompanied with smaller torpedo (the Metel only carrier the torpedo). It uses same launchers and same guidance radar's. Most the of the ships originally intended to carry the Metel were later modified to field the Rastrub as well. Udaloy (pr.1155) was fitted to use Rastrub from the start. Externaly these two missiles are identical. Neither of these missiles are based on the P-15 despite beign developted by the same OKB.

Here's my adaption of the missile done while ago.
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Well, I found a real photo.
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So, I fixed the details.
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odysseus1980 wrote:
Very nice work, well done!

The Medvedka seem much different though from that on Pr.1441/1145. Is this a different variant?
My image is based on these photos
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As your recomnmend, I found some detail bug. So, this is the improved version.
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Post subject: Re: Soviet/Russian Naval Tactical Surface-to-Surface MissilePosted: December 29th, 2015, 10:40 am
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wkstl wrote:
My image is based on these photos
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As your recomnmend, I found some detail bug. So, this is the improved version.
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there are an cylinder that lift the launcher up in a launching position. aren't it on both side (stability)


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Post subject: Re: Soviet/Russian Naval Tactical Surface-to-Surface MissilePosted: December 29th, 2015, 2:34 pm
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heuhen wrote:
wkstl wrote:
My image is based on these photos
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As your recomnmend, I found some detail bug. So, this is the improved version.
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there are an cylinder that lift the launcher up in a launching position. aren't it on both side (stability)
It is not very clear, but I drew it.

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