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APDAF
Post subject: Re: My First shipPosted: June 18th, 2011, 2:08 pm
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I did listen I added more AA guns.
I will repalce the main guns.


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MitcheLL300
Post subject: Re: My First shipPosted: June 18th, 2011, 2:26 pm
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Yes but not doing the rest make it all even more useless in a total picture.
Your ship got even worse right now actually.

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APDAF
Post subject: Re: My First shipPosted: June 18th, 2011, 2:28 pm
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How?


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MitcheLL300
Post subject: Re: My First shipPosted: June 18th, 2011, 2:32 pm
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How? By putting those AA guns on a deck with so much heavy guns you wont be able to fire at certain directions right now, and not even being there without risking your crew to die fast.

Do the changes being told, and it will be ok.

Not like this.

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Fryssian AU with Lt.Maverick 114
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Embarked on: HNLMS Karel Doorman A833
To do list:
-Karel Doorman R81 top and front view
-Karel Doorman Class variants (Chile,Belgium,Portugal)
-Jacob van Heemskerck Class (90% done)
-Kortenaer Class (touch up for current standards)
-Sachsen Class Frigates (10% done)
-Johan De Witt L801 (updating to modern standard)


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APDAF
Post subject: Re: My First shipPosted: June 18th, 2011, 2:46 pm
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How about this?


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Post subject: Re: My First shipPosted: June 18th, 2011, 4:15 pm
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With respect APDAF, your design is inherently flawed, and no amount of advice or changes will make it work. While not being a naval architect myself, I have picked up enough pointers from good advice and spending time reading books by authoritive sources. You really need to spend some time studying how ships are designed, particularly battleships, which were very tightly designed from many years of experience. By WWII the lessons of WWI had been absorbed, and where possible incorporated into ships built after; otherwise, earlier battleships were rebuilt to incorporate the same experience. You mention a 'Yamato killer' , so for that you need you consider a fast battleship on similar dimensions with a main armament that could stand up against the main battery of the Japanese battelship. In fact, no such ship was ever built, for good reasons, the nearest would be the USN Iowa class; and there are lots of discussions on forums arguing the toss between the two; e.g.:

http://www.defencetalk.com/forums/milit ... mato-4757/

But that's by the way, your design just isn't credible, and while your welcome to post it please don't expect folk to spend time trying to make it work. :)


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MitcheLL300
Post subject: Re: My First shipPosted: June 18th, 2011, 4:23 pm
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Im sorry, but you still did not do what is mentioned in many peoples post to help you.

Why would i even look at your new drawing?

Your last post:

''How about this?''

NO

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Embarked on: HNLMS Karel Doorman A833
To do list:
-Karel Doorman R81 top and front view
-Karel Doorman Class variants (Chile,Belgium,Portugal)
-Jacob van Heemskerck Class (90% done)
-Kortenaer Class (touch up for current standards)
-Sachsen Class Frigates (10% done)
-Johan De Witt L801 (updating to modern standard)


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APDAF
Post subject: Re: My First shipPosted: June 18th, 2011, 4:43 pm
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Ok fine.
I have changed the main guns from 16'' triples to 14'' quads.


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MitcheLL300
Post subject: Re: My First shipPosted: June 18th, 2011, 4:47 pm
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Please read this post again.


MitcheLL300 wrote:
Ok for a battleship you need this:

Main battery:
A nice set-up for weight/ fire ratio. If you fire 3 guns on the aft, all 1 shell (Or more). You need a VERY VERY strong hull, or you will tear it apart. The ship will move through the water sideways, plus your turret's are fit into turret holders, wich can destroy the ship from the inside out with a punch.
A good ammunition store, to storage your shells and safely (Armor).

In total, a lot of Weight in ton's. You got 6 main guns of 16 inch, dual/tripple/quad? I hope Dual, because tripple/quad is to heavy for a hull like this.

Secondairies:
You got to have DP guns as Secondairies, AA + ASu. Otherwise you will lack the Anti air defence on the ocean, and get killed like most battleships did. Torpedoes/Dive boms.
You have choicen for 8 inch turret wich lack the AA capabilities.
They are also heavy weight, and stuck close to each other.
It aint nice to direct them (Lets say) all to the 15/25 degree north of your ship. It wont work anyway like this.

3rd guns row:
You will need a 2nd row of Anti air guns, maby also capable for shooting people in the water/small ships. (Some small boats from sunken ships carried people with guns, nice way to kill them fast, or warn them is with a larger gun then they have, and no. 8 inch or 16 inch wont do that in close range).

I suggest pom poms/40mm in a large amount. Not 2 each side.

4th row:
Small caliber (.50 cal? Maby 20mm? Single 40mm?)


Funnels:
You will need for such a battleship a large engine room, and the UK always used multiple funnels for these sized ships. I suggest 2 funnels, not one big one.

Main reason they did this, is because it was easy to drop boms into the funnels, to kill the engines (Was happened to i quess?).
Smaller ones is less chance to do this, plus one destroyed, is one still capable to release the fumes.

Bridge:
I suggest two bridge sections, one enclosed, one open. And a tower for spotters (They didnt had advanced radars/ googles).



So my thought on this?

Change the array of time, or turrets. These turrets are to modern for the 1918-1930 area.
Delete AT LEAST 2 guns, one front. One back. And keep the overview of 1 turret each over the other.
Put the turrets on their own tower, for reason said earlier.
And Put the bridge more to the front, and add a small superstructure on the back with liveboats (You got to spread those).
And might add a tower with small caliber guns/ lights/ flag mast and spotter hole (Craws nest :P )
Change the 8 inch to 3 guns, and add a smaller caliber next to it.
Add more pom poms to the ship.

And then we can talk ferther.

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http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewto ... 31#p193331
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Embarked on: HNLMS Karel Doorman A833
To do list:
-Karel Doorman R81 top and front view
-Karel Doorman Class variants (Chile,Belgium,Portugal)
-Jacob van Heemskerck Class (90% done)
-Kortenaer Class (touch up for current standards)
-Sachsen Class Frigates (10% done)
-Johan De Witt L801 (updating to modern standard)


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APDAF
Post subject: Re: My First shipPosted: June 18th, 2011, 4:50 pm
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My hull is mostly 3 feet worths of steel armor.


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