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josephw71
Post subject: First try from scratch, very WIPPosted: October 15th, 2010, 8:00 pm
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O.K. First try from the hull up (borrowed screws from mightnightnova's USS Mass.) Still needs lots of work, looking for big or little things I've missed so far. Based on a Springsharp design. Just a little too big for XL template could this be a time where cropping of the XXL might be o.k.

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Post subject: Re: First try from scratch, very WIPPosted: October 15th, 2010, 9:41 pm
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Not bad at all! However it looks like the ship has a way to deep draught for it's size.

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Post subject: Re: First try from scratch, very WIPPosted: October 15th, 2010, 11:50 pm
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Yah, the Springsharp stats came out with a really deep draught. Don't know how accurate the formulas it uses are. The Design is also armored to all get out, probably why it's so deep. Anyways, it does look ungangly, so I don't know if it will stay. The idea was a cheap cruiser killer. Armor it to protect it from CAs, and outgun it, though not by much, and if you're not worried about any treaties, hell who cares what the displacement is. Here are the stats:

Enter ship name, Enter country Enter ship type laid down 1936

Displacement:
23,508 t light; 24,497 t standard; 25,683 t normal; 26,632 t full load


Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(684.75 ft / 680.00 ft) x 108.00 ft x (34.00 / 34.74 ft)
(208.71 m / 207.26 m) x 32.92 m x (10.36 / 10.59 m)

Armament:
9 - 9.00" / 229 mm 55.0 cal guns - 393.44lbs / 178.46kg shells, 150 per gun
Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1936 Model
3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline ends, majority forward
1 raised mount - superfiring
12 - 5.00" / 127 mm 38.0 cal guns - 53.00lbs / 24.04kg shells, 500 per gun
Dual purpose guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1936 Model
6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
24 - 1.57" / 40.0 mm 45.0 cal guns - 1.97lbs / 0.89kg shells, 150 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model
6 x Quad mounts on sides, evenly spread
6 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 4,224 lbs / 1,916 kg

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 442.00 ft / 134.72 m 12.47 ft / 3.80 m
Ends: 2.00" / 51 mm 237.98 ft / 72.54 m 12.47 ft / 3.80 m
Upper: 2.00" / 51 mm 442.00 ft / 134.72 m 8.00 ft / 2.44 m

Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length
Main Belt inclined 17.00 degrees (positive = in)

- Torpedo Bulkhead - Additional damage containing bulkheads:
5.00" / 127 mm 442.00 ft / 134.72 m 16.87 ft / 5.14 m

Beam between torpedo bulkheads 90.00 ft / 27.43 m

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 10.0" / 254 mm 8.00" / 203 mm 8.00" / 203 mm
2nd: 0.50" / 13 mm 0.25" / 6 mm 0.25" / 6 mm
3rd: 0.25" / 6 mm - -

- Armoured deck - multiple decks:
For and Aft decks: 4.00" / 102 mm
Forecastle: 2.00" / 51 mm Quarter deck: 2.00" / 51 mm

- Conning towers: Forward 10.00" / 254 mm, Aft 10.00" / 254 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 4 shafts, 142,506 shp / 106,310 Kw = 33.00 kts
Range 5,000nm at 15.00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 2,134 tons

Complement:
1,013 - 1,318

Cost:
£9.744 million / $38.975 million

Distribution of weights at normal displacement:
Armament: 1,354 tons, 5.3 %
- Guns: 1,354 tons, 5.3 %
Armour: 8,700 tons, 33.9 %
- Belts: 2,896 tons, 11.3 %
- Torpedo bulkhead: 1,379 tons, 5.4 %
- Armament: 1,001 tons, 3.9 %
- Armour Deck: 3,049 tons, 11.9 %
- Conning Towers: 375 tons, 1.5 %
Machinery: 3,998 tons, 15.6 %
Hull, fittings & equipment: 9,455 tons, 36.8 %
Fuel, ammunition & stores: 2,175 tons, 8.5 %
Miscellaneous weights: 0 tons, 0.0 %

Overall survivability and seakeeping ability:
Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship):
42,004 lbs / 19,053 Kg = 115.2 x 9.0 " / 229 mm shells or 8.2 torpedoes
Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1.36
Metacentric height 9.7 ft / 3.0 m
Roll period: 14.6 seconds
Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 53 %
- Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0.11
Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1.01

Hull form characteristics:
Hull has a flush deck,
a normal bow and small transom stern
Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0.360 / 0.365
Length to Beam Ratio: 6.30 : 1
'Natural speed' for length: 29.07 kts
Power going to wave formation at top speed: 56 %
Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 52
Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 10.00 degrees
Stern overhang: 0.00 ft / 0.00 m
Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length):
Fore end, Aft end
- Forecastle: 20.00 %, 26.94 ft / 8.21 m, 22.05 ft / 6.72 m
- Forward deck: 30.00 %, 22.05 ft / 6.72 m, 17.15 ft / 5.23 m
- Aft deck: 35.00 %, 17.15 ft / 5.23 m, 17.15 ft / 5.23 m
- Quarter deck: 15.00 %, 17.15 ft / 5.23 m, 17.15 ft / 5.23 m
- Average freeboard: 19.26 ft / 5.87 m
Ship tends to be wet forward

Ship space, strength and comments:
Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 82.2 %
- Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 155.0 %
Waterplane Area: 45,106 Square feet or 4,190 Square metres
Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 122 %
Structure weight / hull surface area: 168 lbs/sq ft or 818 Kg/sq metre
Hull strength (Relative):
- Cross-sectional: 1.00
- Longitudinal: 1.81
- Overall: 1.06
Excellent machinery, storage, compartmentation space
Excellent accommodation and workspace room

Already made some changes to the design, so, still very much a WIP.

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Post subject: Re: First try from scratch, very WIPPosted: October 16th, 2010, 5:54 am
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Vossiej wrote:
Not bad at all! However it looks like the ship has a way to deep draught for it's size.
I was going to make a post, but, frankly, this makes it redundant.


But to elaborate on the good points - it demonstrates an understanding of ranging (tall structure for spotting), an understanding of proper rangefinders for the proper, associated guns, a distinct lack of noobish overload, and even ample details that are usually completely forgotten with all but veteran drawers. In fact if anything it frankly draws to the question of how did you end up with such an odd draft in the first place, given how excellent everything else is.


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josephw71
Post subject: Re: First try from scratch, very WIPPosted: October 16th, 2010, 6:52 pm
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Here we go, much better looking, few more details. Still stuck on a name.

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Post subject: Re: First try from scratch, very WIPPosted: October 16th, 2010, 9:30 pm
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Post subject: Re: First try from scratch, very WIPPosted: October 16th, 2010, 10:56 pm
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I'm not trying to draw an American ship, in time I hope to have an entire set of gear that I've drawn, like the 5" guns, radar aerials, etc. But excellent points, and I've been thinking about moving my fore and aft 5" like US CAs, don't know, still a WIP.

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Post subject: Re: First try from scratch, very WIPPosted: October 20th, 2010, 9:15 am
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Great work, this looks pretty decent. The bridge tower needs more details, bridge wings and platforms etc but its coming on nicely. You've a good style and you know what your doing. I agree the turrets might be too small but you have ample room to extend them. You might want to change the radar for something less modern looking too.

Lookinf forward to more.

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Post subject: Re: First try from scratch, very WIPPosted: October 24th, 2010, 2:28 am
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You can always edit something to death, the trick is knowing when to stop, I think I'm almost at that point. Bigger turrets, a little more subtle shading here and there.

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Post subject: Re: First try from scratch, very WIPPosted: October 24th, 2010, 7:04 am
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Looking good, but in my eyes it seems to have a mix of various styles (nations).
The main radar seems to be the British Type 965 ('double bedstead'), and the secondary armament directors seem to be Mk.37 with Type 275 radar. Secondary armament is 5"/37 and the main guns seem like American guns, as wwell as the catapult. In fact the whole idea of a catapult at the stern is American.
The bridge blockhouses are unique but the funnel cap reminds me of a German cap like in the Hipper class cruisers (BTW not done yet?).
A smaal suggestion would be to decide upon the country and then use other ships from that country as regards to style.
Apart from the above it shows alot of promise, and you seem to know what you are aiming for.

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