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Post subject: Re: Dreadnoughtization succesPosted: May 27th, 2016, 3:27 pm
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BB1987 wrote:
Most Japanese guns are available on this sheet:
http://i.imgur.com/0YFUpr8.png
Thanks, BB1987, but I'm alredy using it :)
I'll upload renewed version soon.

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Post subject: Re: Dreadnoughtization succesPosted: May 27th, 2016, 5:10 pm
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Updated 2.0 version:
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- Removed two lonely 127-mm twin mounts on aft deck.
- Director removed.
- 76-mm twin mounts replaced with 76-mm high-angle cannons.
Next update tomorrow will bring two more additional shafts (I do not have enough time now to draw them now) and some miscellanous additions.

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Post subject: Re: Dreadnoughtization succesPosted: May 27th, 2016, 5:29 pm
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It looks fairly good so far, although I can't comment on the design in and of itself (except: are those guns on the topmasts ?)
Just a few remarks on the drawing though:
- Do you know how the legs of the tripod masts fit together? Right now, they look like they just sit side-by-side in a row, where they could probably be merged.
- The weld lines on the hull are probably unnecessary, except if they stand for add-on armor added after the fact. Even in that case, they could probably do with less thickness. And if they are add-on plate, I'm not sure the line make sense rounding the bow and the stern.
- I would revert the shading on the stern gun barbettes to harmonize across the ship, but that may be against the rules for some, as these are standard parts.
- Also maybe some drop shadows around the barbettes to emphasize the overhangs?
- The hull shading looks interesting (to my taste anyway) but the bottom of the bow could do with a few pixels thick of darker tome. Also you probably don't need the complete rudder to be even darker than the hull bottom.
- I like what you've done with the wire antennae, but if you go to the trouble of showing the spacers between the wires, you should also add some darker point for the coupling where the wires merge.
- Are the anchors white by design or just not filled in yet?

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Post subject: Re: Dreadnoughtization succesPosted: May 27th, 2016, 5:38 pm
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Thanks for your advices, citizen lambda, I will use them in the third rework. Anchors are white by design, but I think to make them darker. How to draw the tripod mast correctly, by the way?

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Post subject: Re: Dreadnoughtization succesPosted: May 27th, 2016, 6:18 pm
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Keisser wrote:
How to draw the tripod mast correctly, by the way?
This is not about correct per se, more something you might want to take into account for your design. I would assume that the legs would be merged near the top for a better resistance (less torsion of the topmast platform, better integrity of the mast), but the again, maybe keeping the legs separate makes sense re. ease of building and bearing section. Your call, really.
Anyway, if a merge makes sense to you, you have to show it e.g. with a recessed centerline between the front and back legs, like so:
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It really depends on how the legs meet the platform. I have added notional front views of these parts that show where the legs would be in relation with one another in both cases.

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Post subject: Re: Dreadnoughtization succesPosted: May 27th, 2016, 6:24 pm
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citizen lambda wrote:
I have added notional front views of these parts that show where the legs would be in relation with one another in both cases.
Nice, thanks. They must be merged.

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Post subject: Re: Dreadnoughtization succesPosted: May 28th, 2016, 10:41 am
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Version 2.1 here, brings a minor updates for the HISMS Miugi.
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- Updatet turret shading.
- Removed welding lines on main belt.
- Updated the forward tripod mast (merged; the rear mast is not merged).
- Added some darker points where the wires merge.
- Anchors now darker.

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Post subject: Re: Dreadnoughtization succesPosted: May 29th, 2016, 10:00 am
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Looks good, but then again, I'm not going to complain after you've taken my remarks into account :D
The anchors, masts and rudder look better. Now that I see it in full scale, I realize that the top of the mainmast is not aligned with its lower structure. Mechanically, it makes more sense if the two vertical beams below and above the platform are aligned.

I've been going on about the armor belt, before realizing that the same lines were present in some of the related official drawings, where I can't explain them better than in your version. That's your design and your call, so I would understand you keeping features of the original drawing as such, but maybe you're interested yourself in understanding what this belt is supposed to be. Is it:
- the initial hull armor showing the differential thickness of the armor belt? In this case, the hull would probably be smoothed out on the outside, if only to improve hydrodynamics and helps shots glance without snagging on the edges of the plates. That would make the end lines of the armor plate invisible from the outside at this scale.
- additional armor plate added during a refit? That could make the borders visible like they are now, but then I'm curious about how you can apply add-on armor plate around the rounded stern and pointed bow.
- a torpedo bulge? in this case, the lines are legitimate but it could use some shading to better show the shape.
Again, not my forte, so you may want to get some advice from specialists in dreadnoughts in addition to my uninformed ramblings.

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Post subject: Re: Dreadnoughtization succesPosted: May 29th, 2016, 11:38 am
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It supposed to be the additional armor plates added during a refit. Also I just used to draw those weld lines on every my dreadnought because the belt looked plain and poor for me without them. But I desided not to do this anymore, cuz it looks too senseless.
I will edit the mainmast soon, thanks.

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Post subject: Re: Dreadnoughtization succesPosted: May 29th, 2016, 12:13 pm
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Hi Keisser,

A quick question - do you know of any ships from this timeframe of this tonnage that are propelled by only two propellers? I'm pretty sure you're a couple (or one, if you're following German practice) of props short for the size of the thing...

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