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Armoured man
Post subject: some ships for a AU i'm making.Posted: August 27th, 2017, 2:37 pm
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hi this is my second time making topic, the first ship is a battlecruiser for my AU, this battlecruiser was Commissioned in 1912 her service was from 1912 to 1929.
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Post subject: Re: some ships for a AU i'm making.Posted: August 27th, 2017, 4:15 pm
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I do wonder, why the 2 guns below main deck level? what is their purpose? they look to be of a different type too (shorter barrel)
How are your machinery spaces split? boilers under the funnel, and turbines under the mainmast and aft of the Q turret?

It doesn't look too bad, I am really wondering about a 5 turret battlecruiser though, I cannot remember even one being actually build.

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Post subject: Re: some ships for a AU i'm making.Posted: August 27th, 2017, 5:23 pm
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the 2 guns below main deck level are for Torpedo boat and small and fast naval ships, does this pic your answer question.
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Post subject: Re: some ships for a AU i'm making.Posted: August 27th, 2017, 10:25 pm
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the kuma class light cruiser was class of 10 light cruiser, these ship were the first modern cruiser built for the kantai navy, the Design of the class was heavily inspired by light cruiser of royal navy and the Imperial German Navy.


Ordered: 1 December 1907
Laid down: 14 May 1908
Launched: 30 April 1910
Commissioned: 3 June 1911
Decommissioned: 30 February 1929
Struck: 12 March 1930
Fate: Sold 19 July 1930
Status: Broken up for scrap

General characteristics

Displacement: 3,3500 long tons (3,600 t) (normal)
Length: 405 ft (123.4 m) (o/a)
Beam: 41 ft 6 in (12.6 m)
Draft:14 ft (4.3 m)
Installed power:17,000 shp (12,000 kW)
12 × toumaci boilers
Propulsion: 2 × Parsons steam turbine sets
Speed: 25 knots (46 km/h; 29 mph)

Armament:

Armament:
5 × single TYPE 98 15cm/40 (152 mm) guns
2 × twin TYPE 6 53cm ( 533mm) torpedo tubes

Armour:
Deck: .5–1 in (13–25 mm)
Conning Tower: 4 in (102 mm)
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in 1917 all kuma class cruiser were modernization, The aft 152mm/40 gun were replaced by two additional 76mm guns
and one 7.7mm automatic machine gun.
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In February 1922, five kuma class cruiser sent to Kousaten Arsenal for conversion into minelayers, The aft 152mm gun was removed, with rails for 40 mines, all to be stored on deck, fitted in their place. all five ships Renamed Fusetsukan 1 through 5.
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all ships of the kuma class when decommissioned 1929, to make room for new cruiser class.
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Ships in class: (laid down-launched-commissioned - fate)
kuma 1908-1910-1911 - Decom 1929
Kinu 1908-1910-1911 - Decom 1929
Isuzu 1909-1911-1912 - Decom 1929
Tama 1909-1911-1912 - Decom 1929
Kiso 1911-1913-1914 - Decom 1929
Ōi 1911-1913-1914 - Decom 1929
Katori 1912-1914-1915 - Decom 1929
Abukuma 1912-1914-1915 - Decom 1929
Yura 1912-1914-1915 - Decom 1929
Natori 1913-1915-1916 - Decom 1929


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Post subject: Re: some ships for a AU i'm making.Posted: August 28th, 2017, 12:23 pm
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battleship:

you wouldn't want to have the engine room under the main turret. Quit often on high caliber main turret, they penetrate all the way down to the keel.

Engine room and boiler room tend/sometimes/often to be over several decks.

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Post subject: Re: some ships for a AU i'm making.Posted: August 28th, 2017, 12:35 pm
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something like this.
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Post subject: Re: some ships for a AU i'm making.Posted: August 28th, 2017, 1:37 pm
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yes except that engine and boiler room would go from keel to above waterline.. depending on engine type (turbine or classic piston (compound)... or a combined system)

you could do an Titanic. forward engine room have piston. And a aft engine room (between turret) where you can have an low pressure turbine, using leftover pressure from the compound engine.

since she is an large BB/dreadnought, and era of build... I believe more in that she would have compound, if not they are willing to push the technology on a large ship (knowing how slow the British admiralty was to the interest in turbine)


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Post subject: Re: some ships for a AU i'm making.Posted: August 28th, 2017, 1:38 pm
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Design questions aside, the quality of the drawings is rather nice. Good work!

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Post subject: Re: some ships for a AU i'm making.Posted: August 28th, 2017, 2:53 pm
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The Murakumo-class destroyers was class of 15 destroyers, these destroyers were the first large destroyers designed for open ocean service to be built in kantai islands.The Murakumo-class destroyers were designed after the Russo-Japanese War, as the kantai Navy realized that the vessels in its current fleet of destroyers were too small and poorly designed for extended “blue water” operation.

Ordered: 12 January 1908
Laid down: 14 May 1909
Launched: 7 June l 1911
Commissioned: 7 September 1912
Decommissioned: 25 February 1932
Struck: 30 February 1932
Fate: Sold 19 July 1933
Status: Broken up for scrap

General characteristics

Displacement: 1,100 long tons (1,100 t) standard 1,320 long tons (1,340 t) full load
Length: 98 m (321 ft 6 in)
Beam: 8.6 m (28 ft)
Draft: 2.7 m (8.9 ft)
Installed power: 3-shaft Parsons steam turbine, 8 boilers, 20,500 ihp (15,300 kW)

Armament:
3 × single TYPE 10 12cm
3 × twin TYPE 6 53cm ( 533mm) torpedo tubes
1 x single TYPE 8 7cm
Armour:
Deck: .(13–25 mm)
Conning Tower: (50 mm)
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Usugumo and Murakumo as part of the kantai islands detachment in the Battle of Tsingtao, and in the operation to seize German colonial possessions in the South Pacific.
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Yūgiri as she appeared Throughout 1915–1916, on escort duty in the West Pacific and Indian Oceans.
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in 1915 all Murakumo class destroyers were modify the bridge area was enclosed, redesign improve the bridge crew endurance in bad weather.
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In February 1919, all Murakumo class destroyers sent to Kousaten Arsenal for modernization, The aft torpedo tube was replaced by one additional 120mm gun and two additional 76mm guns.
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in 1923 two Murakumo class destroyers were Converted in to Auxiliary Minesweeper, all torpedo tubes were remove and minesweeping gears was added and they were the only auxiliary minelayers to be fitted with two depth charge racks- one on each side amidship,
the ships were Renamed to Sokaitokumutei 5 and 6.
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the decommissioning of the Murakumo class destroyers begun in 1932.
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in 1934 the japanese army and navy launched a invasion of the kantai islands, the invasion was surprise attack, the navy army and air force of the came under control of the japanese armed forces, strengthening the japanese military in the pacific.
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Ships in class: (laid down-launched-commissioned - fate)

Murakumo 1909-1911-1912 - Decommissioned 1932
Shinonome 1909-1911-1912 - Decommissioned 1932
Yūgiri 1909-1911-1912 - Decommissioned 1932
Shiranui 1909-1911-1912 - Decommissioned 1932
Kagerō 1909-1911-1912 - Decommissioned 1932
Usugumo 1910-1912-1913 - Decommissioned 1932
Shirakumo 1910-1912-1913 - Decommissioned 1932
Asashio 1910-1912-1913 - Decommissioned 1932
Akatsuki 1910-1912-1913 - Sunk 1916
Kasumi 1911-1913-1914 - Sunk 1916
Fubuki 1911-1913-1914 - Decommissioned 1934
Harusame 1911-1913-1914 - Converted 1923
Niji 1911-1913-1914 - Converted 1923
Akebono 1912-1914-1915 - Decommissioned 1935
Oboro 1912-1914-1915 - Decommissioned 1935


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Post subject: Re: some ships for a AU i'm making.Posted: August 30th, 2017, 9:11 am
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Nice start.


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