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Author:  Psilander [ November 21st, 2010, 10:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
Continuingt with pre ww1 destroyer classes

This is the C-class destroyer, the most numerous swedish destroyer built before and during the great war. Similar in size and weaponry to the british Tribal-class.

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C-class,
Sweden Destroyer laid down 1908-16

Displacement:
750 t light; 800 t standard; 820 t normal; 850 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
75 m x 7,00 m x 3,00 m

Armament:
6 - 2,95" / 75,0 mm guns in single mounts, 12,87lbs / 5,84kg shells, 1898 Model
Quick firing guns in deck mounts
on centreline ends, evenly spread
on side, all amidships

Shells per gun, main battery: 150
6 - 18,0" / 457,2 mm above water torpedoes

Machinery:
Coal fired boilers, complex reciprocating steam engines,
Direct drive, 2 shafts, 7 519 ihp / 5 609 Kw = ´32,00 kts
Range 1500nm at 8,00 kts (Bunkerage = 100 tons)
Caution: Delicate, lightweight machinery

Complement:
80
Author:  Gollevainen [ November 22nd, 2010, 8:52 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
nice looking (albeit I think both of these classes have rather exessive freeboards compared to their piers in other navies)
Its also nice choise for going for larger ammount of 3 inch guns instead of the more standard 2-3 4 inch guns.
Author:  Psilander [ November 22nd, 2010, 9:47 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
Well....the freeboard is because of Springsharp...it wouldn't make less freebaord seaworty

In 1905 was still 75mm standard for destroyers, it wasn't till around 1910 they stared to upgun the ships. The on following E class will carry less torpedoes and 4x 105mm QF guns a be abit broader
Author:  Psilander [ December 24th, 2010, 1:02 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
After the battle of Jutland the RSwN stopped all destroyer and torpedoboat construction for 4 months to make an analysis of the action. The result was the revolutionary new T-type destroyer, though similar to the most modern US and RN destroyers in size they are actually more similar to the 1930s superdestroyers in mission and fighting power. escially their lare torpedo battery could make any opposing admiral tremble....

They made good long service over world war 2 but where slowly overshadowed by more modern types of destroyers in the 1920s and 30s.

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Tärnan,
Sweden Destroyer laid down 1916

Displacement:
1 133 t light; 1 186 t standard; 1 199 t normal; 1 210 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(323,26 ft / 311,68 ft) x 26,25 ft x (13,12 / 13,20 ft)
(98,53 m / 95,00 m) x 8,00 m x (4,00 / 4,02 m)

Armament:
5 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,63lbs / 16,16kg shells, 250 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1916 Model
5 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
3 raised mounts
4 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 5,00lbs / 2,27kg shells, 300 per gun
Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1889 Model
4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread
4 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 198 lbs / 90 kg
Main Torpedoes
10 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m torpedoes - 1,557 t each, 15,571 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes
Main DC/AS Mortars
12 - 231,49 lbs / 105,00 kg Depth Charges - 1,240 t total
in Stern depth charge racks

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0,20" / 5 mm - 0,20" / 5 mm
2nd: 0,20" / 5 mm - -

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 41 448 shp / 30 920 Kw = 35,00 kts
Range 1000nm at 18,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 25 tons (25% coal)

Complement:
101 - 132

Cost:
£0,262 million / $1,047 million
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Tärnan
Sweden
Destroyer laid down 1916,
1942 rebuild

Displacement:
1 136 t light; 1 186 t standard; 1 199 t normal; 1 210 t full load

Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep)
(323,26 ft / 311,68 ft) x 26,25 ft x (13,12 / 13,20 ft)
(98,53 m / 95,00 m) x 8,00 m x (4,00 / 4,02 m)

Armament:
4 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,63lbs / 16,16kg shells, 250 per gun
Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1916 Model
4 x Single mounts on centreline, evenly spread
2 raised mounts
10 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 2,14lbs / 0,97kg shells, 500 per gun
Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model
5 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread
5 raised mounts
Weight of broadside 164 lbs / 74 kg
Main Torpedoes
10 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 24,61 ft / 7,50 m torpedoes - 1,557 t each, 15,571 t total
In 2 sets of deck mounted centre rotating tubes
Main DC/AS Mortars
12 - 231,49 lbs / 105,00 kg Depth Charges - 1,240 t total
in Stern depth charge racks

Armour:
- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 0,39" / 10 mm 0,20" / 5 mm 0,20" / 5 mm
2nd: 0,20" / 5 mm - -

Machinery:
Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
Geared drive, 2 shafts, 41 448 shp / 30 920 Kw = 35,00 kts
Range 1000nm at 18,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 25 tons (25% coal)

Complement:
101 - 132

Cost:
£0,258 million / $1,030 million
Author:  dc1 [ December 24th, 2010, 10:56 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
Very nice. But I think Springsharp underestimates coal bunker carried. On a ship that size I would expect six to ten times more coal carried... Real life swedish destroyers of similar size carried 170-220 tons of oil.

In the 1917 version I would move the B-mount slightly forward to make a little more space for the crew..
Author:  Psilander [ December 25th, 2010, 1:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
Yes...that would be wise....

I played around alot with range to make the hull work....it went bananas...so I might be an effect of that.
Author:  Psilander [ December 25th, 2010, 10:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
By the end of WWII the navy hade four unfinished hulls of heavy Uppland-class cruisers on slipways. When peace broke out the work was halted and the hulls where just waiting for a decision of what to do with them was made. When the RSwN saw the american and Dutch conversion of conventional cruisers into guided missles units they decided to go the same way. American missiles where licensened and the ships where finished as CLGs in early 1960s carrying RIM-8 Talos and RIM-24 Tartar missiles aswell as the domestic RB-08 ASM/ SLCM.

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Äran (Glory),
Tapperheten (Audacius)
Manligheten (Manhood)
Dristigheten (Couragous)
Sweden
Guided missile cruiser laid down 1950

Displacement:
7 661 t light; 7 948 t standard; 8 600 t normal; 9 121 t full load

Dimensions: Length overall / water x beam x draught
625,76 ft / 606,96 ft x 65,62 ft (Bulges 78,74 ft) x 19,69 ft (normal load)
190,73 m / 185,00 m x 20,00 m (Bulges 24,00 m) x 6,00 m

Armament:
4 - 5,98" / 152 mm guns (2x2 guns), 107,15lbs / 48,60kg shells, 1950 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on centreline ends, all forward
16 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm guns (8x2 guns), 5,65lbs / 2,56kg shells, 1950 Model
Automatic rapid fire guns in turrets (on barbettes)
on side, all amidships
1x2 Mk 11 launcher for RIM-24/Rb-63 Tartar SAM (64 missiles)
1x2 Mk 12 launcher for RIM-8/ Rb-64 Talos SAM (46 missiles)
1x2 launcher for RBS-08F SLCM active radarhoming to 200km (24 missiles)
Weight of broadside 489 lbs / 222 kg
Shells per gun, main battery: 400
4 - 15,7" / 400 mm above water torpedoes


Aircraft
Pad for one large helicopter (HKP 5, "Westland Wessex")

Sensors
Type 965 (PS-55), L-band, airsearch
Philips LW-02, (PS-47), S-band, airsearch
Type 993 (PS-58) surface search
PQ-60 ESM

Firecontrol
2x AN/SPG-49 (PE-64) fire control radar for Talos,
2x AN/SPG-51 (PE-63) fire control radar for Tartar,
6x PK-62 57mm Fire control radar
2 x Radar Type 274 (PE-55) 6-inch fire control;

Sonar
Sonar 189 bow mounted sonar

Armour:
- Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg)
Main: 2,95" / 75 mm 328,08 ft / 100,00 m 9,22 ft / 2,81 m
Ends: 0,39" / 10 mm 65,62 ft / 20,00 m 9,22 ft / 2,81 m
213,25 ft / 65,00 m Unarmoured ends
Upper: 0,39" / 10 mm 362,53 ft / 110,50 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m
Main Belt covers 83 % of normal length

- Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max)
Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 1,18" / 30 mm 1,97" / 50 mm
2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm 0,39" / 10 mm 0,98" / 25 mm
3rd: 0,20" / 5 mm 0,08" / 2 mm 0,20" / 5 mm

- Armour deck: 1,18" / 30 mm, Conning tower: 1,97" / 50 mm

Machinery:
Oil fired boilers, steam turbines,
geared drive, 2 shafts, 67 604 shp / 50 432 Kw = 33,00 kts
Range 6 000nm at 16,00 kts
Bunker at max displacement = 1 173 tons

Complement:
446 - 580
FINALLY!!!
Author:  TimothyC [ December 26th, 2010, 3:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
Quote:
2x AN/SPG-49 (PE-64) fire control radar for Talos,
2x AN/SPG-51 (PE-63) fire control radar for Tartar
You don't have two AN/SPG-51s on there, you have two AN/SPG-60s

Your Mk-12 and Mk-11 GMLS magazines won't fit the way you have them (the Mk-12 requires a very large volume of space directly aft of the launcher while the Mk-11 requires the space directly below the launcher).
Author:  Psilander [ December 26th, 2010, 8:05 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
Ok..I'll change the directors

How much underdeck space does the MK-11 launcher need? I imagine that the Tartars are fed in the same way as the Talos - with a slight angel from behind. so that the long Talos missiles are coming up to launcher from a tunnel/ rail running under the mk-11 launcher.
Author:  Psilander [ December 26th, 2010, 8:26 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Imperial Swedish Navy
Edited version
1. Change place for the Tartar and Talos systems
2. Directors changed

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