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Author: | Gollevainen [ July 24th, 2016, 9:36 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Imperial Swedish Navy |
Nice design, if I read correctly these would be training ships? |
Author: | Hood [ July 24th, 2016, 12:16 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Imperial Swedish Navy |
Very nice work Psilander, proof that the all-forward layout looks good on cruisers. |
Author: | acelanceloet [ July 24th, 2016, 12:36 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Imperial Swedish Navy |
I have to admit I am a bit surprised. I have drawn an cruiser of about the same size based on the Dutch Eendracht, viewtopic.php?p=145196#p145196 , which goes slightly faster (32 knots vs 29) but has an lighter arnament. with that in mind, how on earth do you get so much out of such an small machinery layout, 10 years earlier. looking at the amount of power you have, it might well be correct for the machinery to be quite a lot smaller then on my ship, but I have no idea how you got that much speed out of her....... In addition, note that the tail of your aircraft is about where your machinery can end, looking at the propeller shafts, which for my ship meant that I could only build it with the boilers aft of the turbines. Even with that in mind, my bow is a lot shorter then yours because the belowdecks steering position and by extension the conning tower on top of that, has to be forward of the machinery. so, while I do not doubt that springsharp is at the very least close to the truth about all this equipment fitting on the hull, I suspect it would all be a bit more spread out, instead of this extremely long stern and bow. |
Author: | Psilander [ July 27th, 2016, 8:08 pm ] | |
Post subject: | Re: Imperial Swedish Navy | |
The extra 3 kts takes loads of power, the hull strength drops to 0.8 and the seakeaping to 1,02. With 105mm guns you get out more armour and a knot extra With 105mm instead of 152mm
Ihärdighet, Sweden Cruiser laid down 1928
Displacement: 8 923 t light; 9 371 t standard; 10 001 t normal; 10 505 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (581,18 ft / 574,15 ft) x 65,62 ft x (19,69 / 20,41 ft) (177,14 m / 175,00 m) x 20,00 m x (6,00 / 6,22 m) Armament: 9 - 8,27" / 210 mm 45,0 cal guns - 284,97lbs / 129,26kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1928 Model 3 x 3-gun mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 1 raised mount 10 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,62lbs / 16,16kg shells, 150 per gun Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1912 Model 4 x Twin mounts on sides, aft evenly spread 1 x Twin mount on centreline, aft deck aft 4 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 6,11lbs / 2,77kg shells, 250 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1918 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 4 raised mounts 12 - 0,98" / 25,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 0,51lbs / 0,23kg shells, 500 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1928 Model 6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 6 raised mounts Weight of broadside 2 951 lbs / 1 339 kg Main Torpedoes 2 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,508 t each, 3,017 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes 2nd Torpedoes 2 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,508 t each, 3,017 t total submerged bow tubes Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 3,94" / 100 mm 373,20 ft / 113,75 m 9,71 ft / 2,96 m Ends: 0,79" / 20 mm 200,92 ft / 61,24 m 9,71 ft / 2,96 m Upper: 0,79" / 20 mm 373,20 ft / 113,75 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m Main Belt covers 100 % of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 4,92" / 125 mm 2,95" / 75 mm 4,92" / 125 mm 2nd: 1,38" / 35 mm 0,39" / 10 mm 1,38" / 35 mm 3rd: 0,20" / 5 mm - - 4th: 0,20" / 5 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,18" / 30 mm Forecastle: 0,39" / 10 mm Quarter deck: 0,39" / 10 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 3,94" / 100 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 66 272 shp / 49 439 Kw = 30,00 kts Range 4 000nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 1 134 tons Complement: 499 - 650 Cost: £3,353 million / $13,413 million Distribution of weights at normal displacement: Armament: 816 tons, 8,2 % - Guns: 804 tons, 8,0 % - Weapons: 12 tons, 0,1 % Armour: 1 803 tons, 18,0 % - Belts: 746 tons, 7,5 % - Armament: 506 tons, 5,1 % - Armour Deck: 472 tons, 4,7 % - Conning Towers: 79 tons, 0,8 % Machinery: 2 063 tons, 20,6 % Hull, fittings & equipment: 4 115 tons, 41,1 % Fuel, ammunition & stores: 1 078 tons, 10,8 % Miscellaneous weights: 125 tons, 1,2 % - Hull below water: 25 tons - Hull above water: 25 tons - On freeboard deck: 25 tons - Above deck: 50 tons Overall survivability and seakeeping ability: Survivability (Non-critical penetrating hits needed to sink ship): 13 157 lbs / 5 968 Kg = 46,6 x 8,3 " / 210 mm shells or 1,5 torpedoes Stability (Unstable if below 1.00): 1,10 Metacentric height 3,2 ft / 1,0 m Roll period: 15,4 seconds Steadiness - As gun platform (Average = 50 %): 60 % - Recoil effect (Restricted arc if above 1.00): 0,64 Seaboat quality (Average = 1.00): 1,19 Hull form characteristics: Hull has a flush deck, a normal bow and a cruiser stern Block coefficient (normal/deep): 0,472 / 0,478 Length to Beam Ratio: 8,75 : 1 'Natural speed' for length: 23,96 kts Power going to wave formation at top speed: 54 % Trim (Max stability = 0, Max steadiness = 100): 50 Bow angle (Positive = bow angles forward): 15,00 degrees Stern overhang: -3,28 ft / -1,00 m Freeboard (% = length of deck as a percentage of waterline length): Fore end, Aft end - Forecastle: 20,00 %, 26,25 ft / 8,00 m, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m - Forward deck: 30,00 %, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m - Aft deck: 35,00 %, 19,69 ft / 6,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Quarter deck: 15,00 %, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m, 16,40 ft / 5,00 m - Average freeboard: 20,03 ft / 6,11 m Ship tends to be wet forward Ship space, strength and comments: Space - Hull below water (magazines/engines, low = better): 94,3 % - Above water (accommodation/working, high = better): 179,5 % Waterplane Area: 24 482 Square feet or 2 274 Square metres Displacement factor (Displacement / loading): 115 % Structure weight / hull surface area: 122 lbs/sq ft or 594 Kg/sq metre Hull strength (Relative): - Cross-sectional: 0,95 - Longitudinal: 1,61 - Overall: 1,00 Adequate machinery, storage, compartmentation space Excellent accommodation and workspace room HM Cruiser Ihärdighet(Perservence) & HM Cruiser Segervisshet (Victorious) |
Author: | Psilander [ August 1st, 2016, 7:59 pm ] | |
Post subject: | Re: Imperial Swedish Navy | |
The OH Nordenskiöld class was build as result of the analysis of the cruiser engagements in the battle of Jutland. The class was consiered "light armoured cruiser" and had a dreadnought inspired layout with an all centerline 6" battery in turrets with hoists. The class was named after the flagcaptain of the Swedish navy in 1788-90 war with Russia.
Sweden
Fleet scout (light cruiser) laid down 1916 OH Nordenskiöld, (Nils Ehrenskiöld, Claes Horn, Claes Uggla, Jakob Bagge, Hans Wachtmeister, Carl.-Gustaf Wrangel) Displacement: 4 187 t light; 4 439 t standard; 4 600 t normal; 4 729 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (430,85 ft / 426,51 ft) x 45,93 ft x (16,40 / 16,75 ft) (131,32 m / 130,00 m) x 14,00 m x (5,00 / 5,11 m) Armament: 8 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1912 Model 4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread 2 raised mounts - superfiring 6 - 4,13" / 105 mm 45,0 cal guns - 35,62lbs / 16,16kg shells, 300 per gun Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1916 Model 6 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 4 - 2,24" / 57,0 mm 55,0 cal guns - 6,10lbs / 2,77kg shells, 300 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1916 Model 4 x Single mounts on side ends, evenly spread 4 raised mounts Weight of broadside 1 103 lbs / 500 kg Main Torpedoes 3 - 18,0" / 457 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,101 t each, 3,303 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted carriage/fixed tubes Mines 2 - 881,85 lbs / 400,00 kg mines + 60 reloads - 24,408 t total in Above water - Stern racks/rails Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 360,89 ft / 110,00 m 8,69 ft / 2,65 m Ends: 0,79" / 20 mm 65,62 ft / 20,00 m 8,69 ft / 2,65 m Upper: 0,79" / 20 mm 277,23 ft / 84,50 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m Main Belt covers 130 % of normal length Main Belt inclined 10,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,98" / 25 mm 1,97" / 50 mm 2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm - 0,98" / 25 mm 3rd: 0,39" / 10 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 0,39" / 10 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0,39" / 10 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,97" / 50 mm, Aft 1,97" / 50 mm Machinery: Coal and oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 37 913 shp / 28 283 Kw = 28,50 kts Range 2 000nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 291 tons (50% coal) Complement: 279 - 363 Cost: £0,749 million / $2,995 million |
Author: | KHT [ August 1st, 2016, 8:30 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Imperial Swedish Navy |
Beautiful design and render. Considering the RL retardation of the KMS Emden after Versailles I think this one could instigate an arms race in and of itself. You should check the ship name in the drawing credits though. |
Author: | Psilander [ August 6th, 2016, 8:40 pm ] | |
Post subject: | Re: Imperial Swedish Navy | |
The OH Nordenskiöld class was extensivly rebuilt to keep up in the front line throughout World war 2. Here are two exmples of how the looked just before the war, and by the end of world war two.
OH Nordenskiöld, Sweden Fleet scout (light cruiser) laid down 1916, 1942 rebuild
Displacement: 4 211 t light; 4 458 t standard; 4 600 t normal; 4 713 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (430,85 ft / 426,51 ft) x 45,93 ft x (16,40 / 16,71 ft) (131,32 m / 130,00 m) x 14,00 m x (5,00 / 5,09 m) Armament: 8 - 5,98" / 152 mm 45,0 cal guns - 108,07lbs / 49,02kg shells, 250 per gun Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1912 Model 4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread 2 raised mounts - superfiring 4 - 4,13" / 105 mm 55,0 cal guns - 38,14lbs / 17,30kg shells, 300 per gun Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1924 Model 4 x Single mounts on sides, evenly spread 16 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 2,14lbs / 0,97kg shells, 500 per gun Anti-air guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 8 x Twin mounts on side ends, evenly spread 4 raised mounts - superfiring 16 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm 45,0 cal guns - 0,24lbs / 0,11kg shells, 150 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1916 Model 4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 2 raised mounts 4 x Twin mounts on centreline ends, evenly spread 2 double raised mounts - superfiring Weight of broadside 1 055 lbs / 479 kg Main Torpedoes 3 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,460 t each, 4,381 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Mines 2 - 881,85 lbs / 400,00 kg mines + 60 reloads - 24,408 t total in Above water - Stern racks/rails Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 360,89 ft / 110,00 m 8,69 ft / 2,65 m Ends: 0,79" / 20 mm 65,62 ft / 20,00 m 8,69 ft / 2,65 m Upper: 0,79" / 20 mm 277,23 ft / 84,50 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m Main Belt covers 130 % of normal length Main Belt inclined 10,00 degrees (positive = in) - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,98" / 25 mm 1,97" / 50 mm 2nd: 0,98" / 25 mm - 0,98" / 25 mm 3rd: 0,20" / 5 mm - - 4th: 0,20" / 5 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 0,39" / 10 mm Forecastle: 0,98" / 25 mm Quarter deck: 0,39" / 10 mm - Conning towers: Forward 1,97" / 50 mm, Aft 1,97" / 50 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 4 shafts, 37 914 shp / 28 284 Kw = 28,50 kts Range 2 000nm at 12,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 255 tons Complement: 279 - 363 Cost: £0,733 million / $2,934 million |
Author: | Hood [ August 7th, 2016, 8:48 am ] |
Post subject: | Re: Imperial Swedish Navy |
Very nice refits, certainly these would have been very capable light cruisers for the era and still so into the 40s with a modern layout. Nice work. |
Author: | Psilander [ August 8th, 2016, 7:06 pm ] | |
Post subject: | Re: Imperial Swedish Navy | |
The aircraft carrying cruiser "Hugin" was built to fill the gap of air reconnisance for the battle fleet. Laid down in 1938 the just entered service with pacific fleet at the start of hostilites 1941/42. Veterans of several battles int the Pacific they where severly worn out after the war and was mothballed in 1947. In 1958 the need for ASW task group flagships reactivated them with a helicopter deck and new modern sensors. They made good service until replace by the Kung Carl in the mid 1970s.
Hugin (Munin),
Sweden Aircraftcarrying cruiser laid down 1938 Displacement: 8 306 t light; 8 668 t standard; 9 100 t normal; 9 445 t full load Dimensions: Length (overall / waterline) x beam x draught (normal/deep) (556,64 ft / 541,34 ft) x 55,77 ft x (21,33 / 21,91 ft) (169,66 m / 165,00 m) x 17,00 m x (6,50 / 6,68 m) Armament, as built: 9 - 5,98" / 152 mm 55,0 cal guns - 115,66lbs / 52,46kg shells, 200 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1934 Model 2 x Triple mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 1 raised mount 1 x Triple mount on centreline, aft deck forward 12 - 4,13" / 105 mm 55,0 cal guns - 38,13lbs / 17,29kg shells, 200 per gun Quick firing guns in deck and hoist mounts, 1924 Model 6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 2 raised mounts 20 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 2,14lbs / 0,97kg shells, 500 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1936 Model 10 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 10 raised mounts 12 - 0,79" / 20,0 mm 60,0 cal guns - 0,27lbs / 0,12kg shells, 1 000 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1938 Model 6 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 6 raised mounts Weight of broadside 1 544 lbs / 701 kg Main Torpedoes 3 - 21,0" / 533 mm, 22,97 ft / 7,00 m torpedoes - 1,548 t each, 4,645 t total In 2 sets of deck mounted side rotating tubes Armament, 1960: 9 - 5,98" / 152 mm 55,0 cal guns - 115,66lbs / 52,46kg shells, 200 per gun Quick firing guns in turret on barbette mounts, 1934 Model 2 x Triple mounts on centreline, forward evenly spread 1 raised mount 1 x Triple mount on centreline, aft deck forward 8 - 57mm 60,0 cal guns Bofors M/50B 4 x Twin mounts on sides, evenly spread 4 - 1,57" / 40,0 mm 70,0 cal guns - 2,14lbs / 0,97kg shells, 500 per gun Breech loading guns in deck mounts, 1948 Model 1x rail for RB 08 ASM radarhomeing to 70km or Malafon rocketpropelled torpedo 2x 30,5cm Augr M/51 "Squid" Sensors 1960: PS-47 (LW-02) Surface and Air search, PS-41 (Saturn CSF) surface search, PE-71 FC radar, HMS active sonar Deck and hangar for 4x HKP 2 Sud-Aviation Aloutte III or 2xHKP 1 http://kustflottan.tripod.com/kustflott ... /hkp1.html Armour: - Belts: Width (max) Length (avg) Height (avg) Main: 2,95" / 75 mm 377,30 ft / 115,00 m 8,96 ft / 2,73 m Ends: 0,79" / 20 mm 164,04 ft / 50,00 m 8,96 ft / 2,73 m Upper: 0,79" / 20 mm 351,87 ft / 107,25 m 8,01 ft / 2,44 m Main Belt covers 107 % of normal length - Gun armour: Face (max) Other gunhouse (avg) Barbette/hoist (max) Main: 3,94" / 100 mm 1,97" / 50 mm 3,94" / 100 mm 2nd: 1,97" / 50 mm 0,79" / 20 mm 1,97" / 50 mm 3rd: 0,20" / 5 mm - - 4th: 0,20" / 5 mm - - - Armoured deck - multiple decks: For and Aft decks: 1,77" / 45 mm Forecastle: 0,79" / 20 mm Quarter deck: 0,79" / 20 mm - Conning towers: Forward 3,94" / 100 mm, Aft 3,94" / 100 mm Machinery: Oil fired boilers, steam turbines, Geared drive, 2 shafts, 86 451 shp / 64 493 Kw = 33,00 kts Range 3 000nm at 16,00 kts Bunker at max displacement = 777 tons Complement: 465 - 605 Cost: £4,511 million / $18,046 million |
Author: | Krakatoa [ August 8th, 2016, 7:27 pm ] |
Post subject: | Re: Imperial Swedish Navy |
Love the helicopter version. Well done Psilander. |
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