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Author:  APDAF [ June 16th, 2019, 3:32 pm ]
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Not the gun it's the image itself, the image host has resized it and now it's useless

Author:  reytuerto [ June 16th, 2019, 3:46 pm ]
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Oh, thanks! I will upload them in 3 different views:
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Author:  reytuerto [ June 17th, 2019, 11:01 pm ]
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Good afternoon!
An interesting LMG, reliable and well made, unfortunatelly, only used by Bolivia, the Spanish Republic and the British Army of India: the Vickers Berthier.
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This is the third version, Mk. III, with quick change barrel, no foregrip, and with a 30 round top magazine which was not interchangeable with the magazine of the posterior Bren LMG. Cheers.

Author:  reytuerto [ June 20th, 2019, 11:39 pm ]
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Good afternoon, gentlemen.

Using as starting line the already excellent drawing of the chinese Hanyang 88, I draw a trio of south american iterations of the belgian mauser 89, the Mauser Model 1891 of Argentina and Peru.
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The peruvian rifle was the same used by Argentina, with the exception of the "Lang visier" sight (both rifles were based in the Belgian Mauser). In the 1930s, Argentina modified the cavalry carbine model 1891 with a lug for a bayonet, for the engineers; the bayonet itself was a refurbished Remington rolling block bayonet. In 1934, the Peruvian Navy adopted a shortened version of the rifle as carbine (even the upper foregrip was cutted and glued), it used also the same "coaster" sight of the rifle, was able to use the same bayonet., and as the modified 1891 rifles, it used the spitzer round instead the original rounded head bullet. Cheers.

Edited after useful APDAF correction. Thanks!

Author:  eswube [ June 23rd, 2019, 1:45 pm ]
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Great work!

Author:  reytuerto [ June 23rd, 2019, 4:57 pm ]
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Thanks, Eswube! I was trying to draw the main firearms of the Spanish Civil War, but I just found that almost every firearm used in the late XIX century, the pre-WWI years, the weapons designed and produced during the war years and the firearms of the interwar period were used in that bloody war, so it will be a lengthy and painfully slow progression.
This is the spanish version of the Vickers-Berthier Mk. I LMG, chambered to the 7x57 mm rimless round used by the spaniards since before the spanish-american war.
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A similar LMG, but chambered for the 7.65 x 53 rimless round (but with a shorter and less curved 20 round magazine) was used by the Bolivian Army during the Chaco War. Later, many of the surviving weapons were sold to the Spanish Republic. Cheers.

Author:  eswube [ June 23rd, 2019, 6:18 pm ]
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Nice work! :)

Author:  reytuerto [ June 27th, 2019, 12:02 am ]
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Good afternoon. Thanks, Eswube! More guns of the SCW.

Pistola Campo Giro Modelo 1913-16 was the first locally designed pistol.
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It was a delayed blowback design, an odd choice for a pistol chambered for the powerful 9 x 23 mm cartridge. Well made (by Esperanza y Unceta, at the Basque Country) and accurate, this pistol was adopted by the Spanish Army in 1914. The heavy spring of the mechanism used to deal with the recoil made the disassembly somewhat difficult. Campo-Giro was the direct forerunner of the Astra 400.

A German designed submachine gun of the 1920s and 30s, ERMA EMP, was made without license in Valencia during the SPW, hence the local nickname "Naranjero" ("orange grower", oranges are an emblematic product of the Spanish Levant).
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This guns were chambered in 9 mm Parabellum. After the end of the SCW the routed republicans went to France and many of this smg from the disarmed spaniards ended in french depots. The French adopted this SMG for their own service under the name Pistolet-Mitrailleur Erma–Vollmer de 9mm. After the fall of France in June 1940, the EMP were used by the German police and SS under the name MP 740(f).

The victorious francoist forces adopted the EMP as the main SMG of the Spanish Army. They purchased the license and built the EMP as Subfusil La Coruña Modelo 1941/44.
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Almost identical, it was slightly shorter and had an additional security device, and was chambered for the spanish 9 mm Largo.

Finally, in the 1920s, the Spanish Army bought a batch of french Hotchkiss Modele 1922 but with a top magazine instead the usual strip, and chambered for the rimless 7x57 round.
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The open magazine seems an odd choice, the experience of severe malfunction with Chauchat LMG open magazines with the dirt of the battlefield was recent. And in a dry and sandy enviroment like Morocco, the attricion would be even worse. Cheers.

Author:  Cplnew83 [ June 27th, 2019, 11:09 am ]
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@reytuerto : Another great set of excellent drawings. Thanks !

Author:  APDAF [ June 27th, 2019, 2:31 pm ]
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I find that the magazine on the Mauser 91 to be incorrect.
They used a single stack Mauser designed magazine not a Mannlicher style magazine.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... Mauser.jpg

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