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Post subject: Project Cancelled: Alternative Never-Were British AircraftPosted: July 10th, 2011, 9:20 am
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Thanks to Darthpanda's excellent idea for a single thread for never-were British aircraft I have now formed this thread.

The only aircraft to go here are British aircraft that either never flew or were cancelled. This isn't an attempt to make a coherent AU but rather to illustrate what might have been, what could have been and what should have been!

I open the proceedings with my own efforts so far;

BAC TSR.2
I have redrawn the TSR.2 from scratch using more up to date sources.

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The first two prototypes, XR220 of course never flew and is preserved at the RAF Museum, Cosford.

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A what-if series showing all the main armament combinations planned for TSR.2 and some of the units.
The early aircraft are shown in BAC's planned camouflage scheme with white lower surfaces which did not quite meet RAF standards.
The Operational Development Squadron and 237 Operational Conversion Unit would have been based at Coningsby, the ODS later forming the core of the first planned operational unit, 40 Squadron.
No other planned squadrons are confirmed so the identities used are units which had operated Canberras or Vulcans and who later operated Phantoms or Buccaneers in the strike role. Only two bases were planned for UK based operations, Coningsby for training and Honington as the main operational base. Akrotiri in Cyprus and Tengah in Singapore were the planned overseas bases.
Roles shown are:
40 Sqn TSR.2: nuclear strike role with 2x WE.177B internally and two chaff dispensers on outboard hardpoints and two 450 gallon drop tanks
12 Sqn TSR.2: nuclear strike role with 2x WE.117C on the inner hardpoints and two chaff dispensers on outboard hardpoints and a 570 gallon weapons-bay tank
32 Sqn TSR.2: conventional strike role with 6x internal and 4x external 1,000lb MC bombs
45 Sqn TSR.2: conventional strike role with 4x external 1,000lb MC bombs and a 1,425 gallon ventral ferry tank
9 Sqn TSR.2: conventional strike role with 6x internal 1,000lb MC bombs and 4x external 68mm SNEB rocket packs
6 Sqn TSR.2: conventional strike role with 4x TV-guided Martel ASMs and a 570 gallon weapons-bay tank
81 Sqn TSR.2: reconnaissance role with a weapons-bay mounted reconnaissance pack with ARI.23132 optical linescan, ARI.23136 Q-band SLAR and three vertical FX.126 cameras (plus the standard 3x F.95 cameras fitted in the basic strike/recon role)

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Type 575 Trainer Proposal
Designed a conversion trainer with less sophisticated navigation equipment but retaining a weapons capability. Some may have been built in trainer configuration, BAC did look at a dual-role airframe which could be converted using specialist packs to and from strike configuration. No decision had been reached before cancellation.


Hawker Siddeley P.1154
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The supersonic P.1154 Harrier V/STOL fighter in a variety of what-if tactical RAF schemes and a possible German export


Fairey/ Westland Rotodyne
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In British European Airways colours
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RAF standard tactical transport scheme
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A what-if in British Air Ferries colours
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Kaman was likely to take-out a production licence, here is a what-if in the markings of New York Airways which wanted to order between 5 and 25 Rotodynes
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A what-if US military series of developments, including the fictional "Super Green Giant", the Rotodyne may have been more famous in US service with the Vietnam War, it may have been as invaluable as the 'Huey' and Chinook and been just as famous.

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Avro 701 Athena T.Mk.1
Blackburn B-54
Fairey Delta III
Blackburn B-54 (export)
Hawker P.1121
Saro SR.177
Avro Vulcan B.3
Hawker P.1121
Avro P.187
Hawker P.1030
Supermarine 327
Blackburn B.44
Blackburn B.20
Westland Westminster (1)
Short Sturgeon S.B.3
Westland Westminster (2)
Hawker Siddeley HS 1205-11
Boulton Paul P100
Airspeed AS.9
Hawker P.1154RN (1)
Hawker P.1216 (1)
Hawker P.1216 (2)
Avro 730 (1)
Avro 730 (2)
Hawker P.1154RN (2)
Avro 722 Atlantic
Avro 774
Avro 776
Hawker P.1154RN (3)
Short PD.13 (1)
Short PD.13 (2)
Hawker Siddeley HS.800
Hawker Siddeley HS.1101 (1)
Hawker Siddeley HS.1101 (2)
Bristol Type 159
Handley Page H.P.113
Hawker P.1093
Handley Page H.P.111C
Bristol F.11-37
Handley Page H.P.100
Hawker Siddeley HS.124 AEW
Hawker Siddeley HS.136
BAC P.145
Hawker P.1104
Vickers 1954 Bomber
Supermarine 305
Hawker P.1108
Hawker P.1134
Hawker Siddeley 1202.9
Hawker Siddeley P.139
BAe P.96F
Hawker Siddeley HS.681
Vickers VC.1000 & VC.7
Westland Wyvern
Blackburn B.48 Firecrest
BAC 1-11 AEW
BAC 1-11 MPA
Fairey Gannet AEW
Westland OR.358
Westland Supersonic Rotor Helicopter 1973
Westland WG.21
Westland WG.22
Gloster and Bristol F.18/37 Designs
Miles M.26 'X' Wing
Vickers VC.10 Projects (1)
Vickers VC.10 Projects (2)
Vickers VC.10 Projects (3)
Air-Launched Ballistic/ Cruise Missiles
Percival P.48 Gazelle
de Havilland DH.102 Super Mosquito
de Havilland DH.116 Super Venom
Handley Page H.P.124 Military Herald
BAC 3-11
AEW Projects
Airbus A.300 Tanker
BAe 146 Barracuda
BAe 146M
Supermarine 316 to 318
Hawker P.1062 and Hawker Siddeley HS.802

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: July 10th, 2011, 1:00 pm
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Avro 701 Athena T.Mk.1
As noted in the FD thread the Athena was designed to Spec T.7/45 to fulfill the need for a turboprop-powered advanced trainer. Only two AS Mamba I powered and one RR Dart powered Athena ever took flight with a turboprop. The whole programme was cancelled in favour of the Merlin-powered Boulton Paul Balliol.
Here is a what-if Mamba-powered T.Mk.1 in standard RAF training markings.
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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: July 10th, 2011, 7:04 pm
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I will start with the Fairey Delta III

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: July 10th, 2011, 7:56 pm
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Someone should do the Rotodyne in SB scale.

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: July 10th, 2011, 8:14 pm
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APDAF wrote:
Someone should do the Rotodyne in SB scale.
http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c275/ ... rcraft.png

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: July 11th, 2011, 6:40 am
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RAF standard tactical transport scheme]
I'd like that one the most of the helo's!

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: July 12th, 2011, 8:09 pm
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Darth, can't wait to see your Delta III! :ugeek:

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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: July 13th, 2011, 8:29 am
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FD 111,what a brute,can't wait.


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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: July 16th, 2011, 3:31 pm
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The Blackburn B-54 as in RN and West German service with the intended production AS Mamba turboprop engine.
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Post subject: Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British AircrPosted: July 16th, 2011, 4:29 pm
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Wow lovely! I do think a Dutch jacket would fitt very well too :)

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