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Author:	Hood [ July 10th, 2011, 9:20 am ]
Post subject:	Project Cancelled: Alternative Never-Were British Aircraft
Thanks to Darthpanda's excellent idea for a single thread for never-were British aircraft I have now formed this thread. The only aircraft to go here are British aircraft that either never flew or were cancelled. This isn't an attempt to make a coherent AU but rather to illustrate what might have been, what could have been and what should have been! I open the proceedings with my own efforts so far; BAC TSR.2 I have redrawn the TSR.2 from scratch using more up to date sources. The first two prototypes, XR220 of course never flew and is preserved at the RAF Museum, Cosford. A what-if series showing all the main armament combinations planned for TSR.2 and some of the units. The early aircraft are shown in BAC's planned camouflage scheme with white lower surfaces which did not quite meet RAF standards. The Operational Development Squadron and 237 Operational Conversion Unit would have been based at Coningsby, the ODS later forming the core of the first planned operational unit, 40 Squadron. No other planned squadrons are confirmed so the identities used are units which had operated Canberras or Vulcans and who later operated Phantoms or Buccaneers in the strike role. Only two bases were planned for UK based operations, Coningsby for training and Honington as the main operational base. Akrotiri in Cyprus and Tengah in Singapore were the planned overseas bases. Roles shown are: 40 Sqn TSR.2: nuclear strike role with 2x WE.177B internally and two chaff dispensers on outboard hardpoints and two 450 gallon drop tanks 12 Sqn TSR.2: nuclear strike role with 2x WE.117C on the inner hardpoints and two chaff dispensers on outboard hardpoints and a 570 gallon weapons-bay tank 32 Sqn TSR.2: conventional strike role with 6x internal and 4x external 1,000lb MC bombs 45 Sqn TSR.2: conventional strike role with 4x external 1,000lb MC bombs and a 1,425 gallon ventral ferry tank 9 Sqn TSR.2: conventional strike role with 6x internal 1,000lb MC bombs and 4x external 68mm SNEB rocket packs 6 Sqn TSR.2: conventional strike role with 4x TV-guided Martel ASMs and a 570 gallon weapons-bay tank 81 Sqn TSR.2: reconnaissance role with a weapons-bay mounted reconnaissance pack with ARI.23132 optical linescan, ARI.23136 Q-band SLAR and three vertical FX.126 cameras (plus the standard 3x F.95 cameras fitted in the basic strike/recon role) Type 575 Trainer Proposal Designed a conversion trainer with less sophisticated navigation equipment but retaining a weapons capability. Some may have been built in trainer configuration, BAC did look at a dual-role airframe which could be converted using specialist packs to and from strike configuration. No decision had been reached before cancellation. Hawker Siddeley P.1154 The supersonic P.1154 Harrier V/STOL fighter in a variety of what-if tactical RAF schemes and a possible German export Fairey/ Westland Rotodyne In British European Airways colours RAF standard tactical transport scheme A what-if in British Air Ferries colours Kaman was likely to take-out a production licence, here is a what-if in the markings of New York Airways which wanted to order between 5 and 25 Rotodynes A what-if US military series of developments, including the fictional "Super Green Giant", the Rotodyne may have been more famous in US service with the Vietnam War, it may have been as invaluable as the 'Huey' and Chinook and been just as famous. Edit: Avro 701 Athena T.Mk.1 Blackburn B-54 Fairey Delta III Blackburn B-54 (export) Hawker P.1121 Saro SR.177 Avro Vulcan B.3 Hawker P.1121 Avro P.187 Hawker P.1030 Supermarine 327 Blackburn B.44 Blackburn B.20 Westland Westminster (1) Short Sturgeon S.B.3 Westland Westminster (2) Hawker Siddeley HS 1205-11 Boulton Paul P100 Airspeed AS.9 Hawker P.1154RN (1) Hawker P.1216 (1) Hawker P.1216 (2) Avro 730 (1) Avro 730 (2) Hawker P.1154RN (2) Avro 722 Atlantic Avro 774 Avro 776 Hawker P.1154RN (3) Short PD.13 (1) Short PD.13 (2) Hawker Siddeley HS.800 Hawker Siddeley HS.1101 (1) Hawker Siddeley HS.1101 (2) Bristol Type 159 Handley Page H.P.113 Hawker P.1093 Handley Page H.P.111C Bristol F.11-37 Handley Page H.P.100 Hawker Siddeley HS.124 AEW Hawker Siddeley HS.136 BAC P.145 Hawker P.1104 Vickers 1954 Bomber Supermarine 305 Hawker P.1108 Hawker P.1134 Hawker Siddeley 1202.9 Hawker Siddeley P.139 BAe P.96F Hawker Siddeley HS.681 Vickers VC.1000 & VC.7 Westland Wyvern Blackburn B.48 Firecrest BAC 1-11 AEW BAC 1-11 MPA Fairey Gannet AEW Westland OR.358 Westland Supersonic Rotor Helicopter 1973 Westland WG.21 Westland WG.22 Gloster and Bristol F.18/37 Designs Miles M.26 'X' Wing Vickers VC.10 Projects (1) Vickers VC.10 Projects (2) Vickers VC.10 Projects (3) Air-Launched Ballistic/ Cruise Missiles Percival P.48 Gazelle de Havilland DH.102 Super Mosquito de Havilland DH.116 Super Venom Handley Page H.P.124 Military Herald BAC 3-11 AEW Projects Airbus A.300 Tanker BAe 146 Barracuda BAe 146M Supermarine 316 to 318 Hawker P.1062 and Hawker Siddeley HS.802

Author:	Hood [ July 10th, 2011, 1:00 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British Aircr
Avro 701 Athena T.Mk.1 As noted in the FD thread the Athena was designed to Spec T.7/45 to fulfill the need for a turboprop-powered advanced trainer. Only two AS Mamba I powered and one RR Dart powered Athena ever took flight with a turboprop. The whole programme was cancelled in favour of the Merlin-powered Boulton Paul Balliol. Here is a what-if Mamba-powered T.Mk.1 in standard RAF training markings.

Author:	darthpanda [ July 10th, 2011, 7:04 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British Aircr
I will start with the Fairey Delta III

Author:	APDAF [ July 10th, 2011, 7:56 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British Aircr
Someone should do the Rotodyne in SB scale.

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ALVAMA [ July 10th, 2011, 8:14 pm ]

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Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British Aircr

APDAF wrote:

Someone should do the Rotodyne in SB scale.

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ALVAMA [ July 11th, 2011, 6:40 am ]

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RAF standard tactical transport scheme]

I'd like that one the most of the helo's!

Author:	Hood [ July 12th, 2011, 8:09 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British Aircr
Darth, can't wait to see your Delta III!

Author:	Bombhead [ July 13th, 2011, 8:29 am ]
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FD 111,what a brute,can't wait.

Author:	Hood [ July 16th, 2011, 3:31 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British Aircr
The Blackburn B-54 as in RN and West German service with the intended production AS Mamba turboprop engine.

Author:	ALVAMA [ July 16th, 2011, 4:29 pm ]
Post subject:	Re: Project Cancelled: The Alternative What-If British Aircr
Wow lovely! I do think a Dutch jacket would fitt very well too

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