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Author:  knut 75 [ May 23rd, 2013, 9:25 am ]
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This thread is really quite superb

I have been reading some of Chris Gibson's recent books and am fascinated by the AFVG project of the 1960s.
I had always thought of it as a straightforward strike aircraft to join the F-111K force. However, it seems to have been more of a fighter aircraft for both the French and British navies as well as the air forces.
Now that you have done such a brilliant job on the 1965 three?

All the best
Knut 75 (uk 75)

Author:  Russouk2004 [ July 14th, 2013, 5:10 pm ]
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Hello...I am a fan of UK a\c that never flew in service....I see the hawker p1211 was drwan here...I did this a\c in 3dsmax for sim Strike fighters 2...RAF,RN and USmarines lol...hope u like it.
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Author:  darthpanda [ July 14th, 2013, 5:42 pm ]
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you are my hero! :P

Author:  Bombhead [ July 14th, 2013, 9:29 pm ]
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And very nice too mate. ;)

Author:  Hood [ July 15th, 2013, 8:04 am ]
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Gets my thumbs up. The P.1121 would have been such a good looking aircraft.

Author:  jabba [ July 15th, 2013, 3:36 pm ]
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Very good work!!

Funny, when I looked at the first picture I thought I was looking at a MiG-21!!

See for yourselves...

Author:  Hood [ October 12th, 2013, 12:58 pm ]
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The never-built variants of the Westland Wyvern.
The first W.34 design in mid-1944 penned by W.E.W. Petter had the Rolls-Royce Eagle behind the cockpit for excellent landing visibility and it was slightly smaller than the TF.Mk.I as built. Top speed was estimated at 420mph, all-up weight 17,300lbs. There was brief RAF interest in an escort fighter version but in the end Spec the aircraft was developed to N.11/44 for the Navy. The desire to upgrade to turboprops was built into the design, probably one reason why the layout was altered to a more conventional engine-first layout.

The W.36 was a Wyvern with a jet-engine drawn up in 1946. It would have had either a Rolls-Royce AJ.65 (became the Avon) or a Metrovick F.9 axial-jet. The plan seems to show six cannon, two in the nose and four in the wings, the exhausts were planned as flush outlets but I think this would have been modified if built into a nib-pipe like the Sea Hawk. Oddly, this split tailpipe arrange would have allowed the retention of a tailwheel undercarriage, nothing on the plan indicates a nosewheel.

The S.Mk.5E was proposed in March 1954 with a Napier E.141 Double Eland turboprop with wingtip tanks.

Author:  eswube [ October 12th, 2013, 3:13 pm ]
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Great work and interesting information.

Author:  Trojan [ October 12th, 2013, 3:37 pm ]
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Really interesting and well done work

Author:  klagldsf [ October 12th, 2013, 6:06 pm ]
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Hood wrote:
The plan seems to show six cannon, two in the nose and four in the wings, the exhausts were planned as flush outlets but I think this would have been modified if built into a nib-pipe like the Sea Hawk.
It was probably just provisional for the sake of the plans, or ignorance on the part of whoever drafted them; having the exhaust flush like that is very poor for actually using it for thrust.

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