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Author:  Caddaric79 [ January 5th, 2018, 12:30 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: FD scale - World war II German organisations

I'm pleased you like it.
Mopat wrote: *
Are you know, mixed anti-armour abteilungs have another variant?
Have:
- stab mint vers.zug. Similar than 1106(FG), but added two reapair group-one for heavy AT guns and one for Stugs, plus le.Kfz. inst zug, field feeding units, fuel, ammo and medical section.(Kst.n number 1106a or 1106b, i am not sure...)
- heavy AT-gun company, FG
- Jagdpanzer/Stug company, FG
- Flak company, K.St.N 192, or similar.
Also have variant without Jagdpanzer company.(Stab loses one reapir group, some fuel and ammo trucks, and a field kitchen.)
Maybe a variant of the mixed anti-tank battalion used by infantry and volksgrenadier divisions.
What you describe looks like an endivisioned AT battalion, you can see some variants of it in previous pages, I tried to explain some times what "freie Gliederung" imply for support elements within battalion organisation.
(1106a is for Jagdpanzer "Panther", 1106b for "Hornisse 8,8cm Pak" and 1106c for Jangdpanzer "Tiger(P)")
Mopat wrote: *
Plus, another minor issue.
Infantry division 44, fusilier battalion:
Have units K.st.N 111cn, 131cn, 149cn, 151cn.
So, have stabs and stabskompanie for fusilier battalion, bicycle.
Bicyle rifle company(2X), fusilier cycle company, heavy fusilier cycle company.
149cn are different than 149v. These germans, make everything difficult :lol:
But, not only the fusilier bike company are the only cycling unit on the volksgrenadier division.
One of the grenadier regiments have an "abteliung", grenadiers with bicycles. So, Kst.N. numbers are 131cv, 151cv...
Can I suggest you to chek your source again about Füsilier battalion and K.St.N. this unit follow in 1944 and later. (be careful about neuer Art, Kriegsetat 44 and Inf.Div.45 design)
I never post the Volksgrenadier Division Infanterie Regiment. We probly can discuss it further.
Mopat wrote: *
Forget one-jaeger regiments!
Originally jaeger battalions have HQ company, 3 rifle company, one HMG company and one heavy company. But later have only 3 light jaeger company, and one heavy jaeger company only. Light companies have got two 81mm mortars per company, also "zugs" are bigger. Heavy company now have 2 platoon(zug) of heavy machine gun, one platoon of leIG 18, 75mm guns, and one platoon of sd kfz 10, 20mm FLAK38 armed! So 8xMG34/42, 4x75mm IG, and 4x20mm FLAK, if remembered correctly.
Memory you know... ;-)
The document I use is OKH/GenStdH/Org.Abt.Nr.I/15109/44 g.K.v.27.1.44 "Gliederung Jäger-Division 44."

Author:  Mopat [ January 5th, 2018, 10:28 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: FD scale - World war II German organisations

OK, i finally found this:
https://www.scribd.com/doc/53829401/KStN-List
So, mentioned units:
-131c Füsilierkompanie (auf Fahrrädern) date 1.10.1944
-133c leichte Jägerkompanie eines Jägerbataillons date 1.7.1944
-156 schwere Jägerkompanie eines Jägerbataillons date 1.7.1944
-1106a (fG)Stab und Versorgungszug einer gemischten Panzerjägerabteilung (fG) einer Infanterie- Gebirgs- oder Jägerdivision date 1.11.1944
So, 1106a (FG) are made for non-panzer divisions. Logic are simple, infantry divisions 44 used normal panzer units, while panzer 44 divisions used the fG variants. So, made things more easy, and now possible to used the same 1140fG and 1149fG units in infantry/jaeger divisions also.
Still trying to found this units actual organisation diagrams...
Also, look this:
- 404 Stab und Stabsbatterie einer Heeresartillerie-Abteilung (8.8 cm K./Sf) 1.11.1944
and:
- 430 Batterie 8,8 cm Kanone 43 (Sf) (6 Geschützen) (tbew.mot)1.11.1944
These units are about 8,8cm Pak43 Waffentragers! This weapons are actually reach the troops? I think only a few prototypes made. Or at least the KStN diagrams are made...

Author:  Caddaric79 [ January 16th, 2018, 1:21 am ]
Post subject:  Re: FD scale - World war II German organisations

Hello,

Tonight the Assault tank battalion Sturmpanzerabteilung in late 43 patern.
[ img ]

Headquarter:
Stab einer Panzerabteilung
K.St.N.1107 (1.11.1943)
[ img ]

Headquarter Company:
Stabskompanie einer Sturmpanzerabteilung
K.St.N.1156 (1.11.1943)
[ img ]

Assault tank Company: x3
Sturmpanzerkompanie (14 Geschütze)
K.St.N.1160 (1.11.1943)
[ img ]

Maintenance Platoon:
Panzerwerkstattzug
K.St.N.1185 (8.2.1943)
[ img ]

Author:  Rhade [ January 16th, 2018, 9:44 am ]
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Another epic addition.

Author:  Hood [ January 16th, 2018, 1:32 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: FD scale - World war II German organisations

Fantastic work!

Author:  adenandy [ January 16th, 2018, 10:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: FD scale - World war II German organisations

EXCELLENT work Caddaric :!:

Jolly WELL DONE old fruit :D

Brilliant work in fact. All of these schedule are extremely well done sir, and one can only applaud such work :P

Author:  Hexelarity [ January 17th, 2018, 4:17 am ]
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Sorry if i didn't see them, but could you send/post your sources for German organization?

Author:  Caddaric79 [ January 17th, 2018, 10:42 am ]
Post subject:  Re: FD scale - World war II German organisations

Thank you guys!
Hexelarity wrote: *
Sorry if i didn't see them, but could you send/post your sources for German organization?
National Archives and Records Administration - Publication T78 - rolls 391 to 397.
https://forum.axishistory.com//viewtopi ... 5#p2021142

Author:  Mopat [ January 19th, 2018, 12:58 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: FD scale - World war II German organisations

Great! Sturm mode-on! :lol:
Whats the next? Sturmtigers, maybe 8-)
Or something about infantry /jaeger divisions...many-many horses need to draw. :D
For the others: an 10,5cm field howitzer towed by six horses. An 15cm howitzer towed by 16 horse altogether! 8 horse towed the gun carriage, another 8 horse needed to tow the gun barrel. Also possible to tow the 10cm long-range K18 in this method. Theoretically, as 10cm Kanones are mostly used in panzer divisions, or independent arty battalions. Four horse per ammunition loaded heavy field wagen...
Most of the infantry divisions arty are horse towed. Sometimes, one battalion of howitzer or light field gun towed by RSO vehicles, especially in volksgrenadier divisions.
Very rare, sWS half-tracks are used to tow the heavy howitzers in these divisions.
Not mentioned horse-cart transport companies in the divisional train...And others.

Author:  eswube [ January 19th, 2018, 9:16 pm ]
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Magnificent! (as always)

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