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odysseus1980
Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: January 30th, 2021, 7:31 pm
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And the AU version for my AU.

Electric Railways of Athens and Piraeus in my AU operates the Metro (with 5 lines) plus a fleet of 200 buses for feeding metro lines or replace it in case a part of line is inoperative. When established in 1976, this semi-state company was a merge between two private companies, the Hellenic Electric Railways (ΕΗΣ, Ελληνικοί Ηλεκτρικοί Σιδηρόδρομοι) and the Electric Transport Company (HEM, Hλεκτρική Εταιρία Μεταφορών). Latter operated the tram lines. In HLK the tram was not discontinued, but continued to exist. Several large cities have tram.

ERAP inherited locally built Siemens Type 37 Metro trains from one hand and a fleet of hellenic built trams of 1950's-1970's, derivatives of 1930's and 1950's mostly English Electric and Ansaldo-FIAT coaches. These were painted green-white and continued in service. Being fairly slow, the old trams were supplemented by the "Green Bus" Line until gradually renewed. New trams were Siemens Austria ULF A(hl) type built locally under license followed by Bombardier Flexity Classic and Outlook. Note that all tram lines in HLK ran on metric gauge.

ERAP bus fleet gradually became an all Volvo fleet and remains today such. Both manual and automatic SB756 were ordered, followed by SBAV50 (a facelift SB756 with dashboard/steering wheel from B10M instead of B58). Company also built bus bodies on licensed Volvo chassis.

Athens Public Transport Organization AU also ordered SB756 with automatic 5-speed Morse transmission (first batch) and ZF Ecomat 5HP (second batch), both in 12m and 18m articulated versions. In total, APTO AU had 355 SB756 of both types and 145 SBAV 50, again 12m/18m.


http://s1.fotobus.msk.ru/photo/00/95/77/95776.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/75/72/50 ... 4f781f.jpg Sarakakis "Dinosaur"

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Aloysius
Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: February 1st, 2021, 11:04 pm
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Are you planning on doing the Saurer 4K 4FA/ELVO Leonidas?
If not I might get around to drawing one eventually.

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odysseus1980
Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: February 2nd, 2021, 2:41 pm
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If you can, please do it and post it in real designs. HLK also has Leonidas, but also the original Austrian Saurer 4k in all its variants.


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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: February 2nd, 2021, 7:46 pm
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odysseus1980 wrote: *
If you can, please do it and post it in real designs. HLK also has Leonidas, but also the original Austrian Saurer 4k in all its variants.
Will do, if I can get around to it!

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odysseus1980
Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: April 25th, 2021, 2:03 pm
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The Volvo/Sarakakis SB756 was sold to other cities of Hellenic Kingdom as well for public transport. All cities in HLK which are municipalities have good public transport with buses, while a few have tram network as well. These are Athens, Thessaloniki, Larissa, Iolkos*, Ioannina, Patra, Heraklion (Crete) and Kalamata. Bus public transport in HLK cities except Athens and Thessaloniki are Astiko KTEL (Urban Common Funds of Bus Proceeds) with tickets prices depend on distance. City is divided in zones, as same centered circles, each a different price zone. Today all UCFBP (Astiko KTEL) have telematics in bus stops showing the time in minutes for incoming buses and voice announcement of stops. Municipal transport is not uncommon in HLK, using usually minibuses 7.6m to 8.6m long.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KTEL_(Greece)

Some operators of Sarakakis SB756, with livery inspired from real life buses. Note that last also existed in reality.

These here are 2nd generation SB756, which differ from early 1st generation in dashboard and steering wheel, shared with B10M Mk1. Link below shows a right hand B10M, HLK is left hand drive.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... hboard.jpg

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*Iolkus in HLK is the real life city of Volos. I just prefer the ancient name, for personal and mythological names.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iolcus
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volos


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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: September 18th, 2021, 1:56 pm
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Time from something military:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vickers_6-Ton
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/ ... endent.jpg

In 1931 Hellenic Kingdom evaluated the Vickers 6 ton light tank and adopted it for service. A manufacture license was also purchased, local production started from 1933, called Theseus Light Tank. Some were Type A (Theseus I) and most were Type B (Theseus II), also earlier were converted to single turret. Theseus I (twin turret) had twin 8 mm Hotchkiss/Pyrkal Y1930 and Theseus II a single OQF 3 pounder Hotchkiss (47mm).

A local designed six cylinder diesel engine developing 105 hp (from 1938 a new 120 hp diesel engine fitted) replaced to original Armstrong Siddeley petrol engine from 1935. Guns also changed : 2 types of main gun where used, both from Czechoslovakia, the 3,7cm KPÚV vz. 34 (Theseus III) or the 4,7cm KPÚV vz. 38 (Theseus IV), both manufacture under license. Secondary gun was a hellenic derivative of Hotchkiss Mle1914 in domestic 8x50mm. HLK did received some assistance from Poland into designing the Theseus light tank and also note that HLK bought the Polish TKS tankette and manufactured it under license.

For the larger 4,7cm KPÚV vz. 38 of Theseus III a new, larger turret was developed. Economidis factory developed an tank periscope similar with the Polish Gundlach for the Theseus III/IV), but not copy, it was parallel design by an optic factory. Manufacturing of Theseus Light Tank continued until late 1941.

Gun designations in HLK service were :

(type, diameter/barrel length by caliber/year of adoption as model (Y=Υπόδειγμα)and country of origin if being of foreign origin. In small arms the caliber is not referred.

3,7cm KPÚV vz. 34 = Tank gun 37/40 Y1935 (Czechoslovakia)
4,7cm KPÚV vz. 38 = Tank gun 47/43 Y1938 (Czechoslovakia)
0.8cm Hotckiss Machine Gun Y1926

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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: September 19th, 2021, 2:11 pm
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In 1932-33 Hellenic Kingdom chose the Polish TKS tankette after a market survey and purchased its manufactured license. First vehicles were Polish built until local production started. The TKS-H was generally identical with its Polish cousin, only difference was a three cylinder indigenous engine instead of Ford or Polski petrol engine. Production will be continued until 1944, the TKS-H proved master of ambush in WW2 against Italy and then Germany.

Camo was more or less same with Polish one, painted with local manufactured paints and through the war colors changed a bit for better camouflage into hellenic landscape.

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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: September 20th, 2021, 9:40 pm
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That's my boy!!!

Excellent work!!!


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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: October 2nd, 2021, 4:42 pm
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Nice additions! ;)


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Post subject: Re: Hellenic Kingdom in FD-scalePosted: October 8th, 2021, 6:45 pm
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All Theseus tanks were painted in a three tone camo similar with Polish one on 7TP from March 1940, all Theseus delivered after that month to end of production in November 1941 were painted from the factory, other were painted into their military camps. So, there are differences between vehicles although all follow the same pattern. In total about 250-260 Theseus were built, including early I & II and late III & IV.

Other variants of Theseus family was a artillery tractor based loosely on Polish C7P, a self-propelled gun similar with Italian Semovente da 75/18 and an artillery fire control vehicle. Gun was a derivative of the 75 mm Schneider-Danglis 06/09.

Several Theseus survive, some belong to Hellenic Armor Museum and other to a partnership of collectors of old military vehicles called Hellenic Historic Vehicle Preservation Association.

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