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Post subject: Finland is phasing out the Rauma class, any thoughts?Posted: February 25th, 2017, 8:10 pm
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I just wanted to see if anyone had any opinions on the Finnish Navy phasing out the Rauma-class missile boats that they currently have. I think that they are still pretty useful, but what do I know.

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Post subject: Re: Finland is phasing out the Rauma class, any thoughts?Posted: February 25th, 2017, 8:52 pm
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Hamina class is the replacement for Rauma class.

- For the modern battlefield the Rauma class is getting outdated fast
- the class have also been banned from use, due to show fatigue damage to the hull. (after an 2015 report, most likely fixet)
- repair to hull damage, including replacing large portion of hull, are expensive
- they are 27 years old, they are very close to it's end of carrier.
- they need massive upgrade if they shall be used, for the next 10-15 years

Totall it's cheaper to either build additional ship of the Hamina class, or a new class that can support the Hamina class. (Just like in Norway, where an Frigate always operate together with 1 or 2 Skjold class, when on mission)


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Post subject: Re: Finland is phasing out the Rauma class, any thoughts?Posted: February 25th, 2017, 9:55 pm
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The Hameenaa class is also being phased out. Hameenaa is a minelayer, Rauma is a missile boat

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Post subject: Re: Finland is phasing out the Rauma class, any thoughts?Posted: February 26th, 2017, 9:07 am
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Yes, heuhen sums up really good why they are to be gone, the Missile FAC fad and specially those made out of ligth allumium materials has come to end of its lifespan. Back in the late 80's when these ships were designed along with the predecessors, nobody really knew how long hulllife they really would have in continuous hard usage. Couple of years ago, after they were modernised, and lots of extra weigth was added, each member of the class suffered fatigue issues that resulted expensive repairs and made the whole capacity update too costly for the actuall combat value what was gotted out of them. In recent years Rauma's have been specialised as the main ASW combonent of the fleet, but in such task they are hopelessly too small and short legged.

Hamina class were not replacement of Rauma's, but replacement of the old OSA-II class, the R-class and the Turunmaa class gunboats, they were just natural progression from the original Rauma design with lessons learned in the 90's from their use and from foreign experiences. The replacement for Rauma class, as well as the Minelayers will be the new corvette/minelayer multipurpose ships that are now in develpment phase. If the goverment(s) will keep the will to be commited to the original "Fleet 2020" project, we will get 4 about 1500 ton vessels.

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Post subject: Re: Finland is phasing out the Rauma class, any thoughts?Posted: February 26th, 2017, 10:56 am
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This one?

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would be a nice new capacity for them


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Post subject: Re: Finland is phasing out the Rauma class, any thoughts?Posted: February 26th, 2017, 11:01 am
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Yes, though I believe this is the latest version showed (these are still preliminary concept ideas from the navy, while the final designs would be made by the yard who wins the contract)
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Post subject: Re: Finland is phasing out the Rauma class, any thoughts?Posted: February 26th, 2017, 12:29 pm
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for me those preliminary concept looks as good as they can get, in the end is up to those shipyard to come with the final design.

I just hope Finland doesn't end in the same "shit" that we did with the Norwegian Frigate (we have a lot of problems, mainly due to Government say that money goes to that and that and totally forget that advance frigate are expensive to operate, especially on a long Norwegian coastline and in NATO)


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Post subject: Re: Finland is phasing out the Rauma class, any thoughts?Posted: February 26th, 2017, 6:17 pm
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I think it just sad rule of the nature that these sort of big military investments wont get to the end as originally planned. The prize tag is huge and unheard of in the history of our fleet par the 30's armored ship producement and allready there are strong opposition from the land-forces and land orientated arm-chair military analysist

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Post subject: Re: Finland is phasing out the Rauma class, any thoughts?Posted: February 26th, 2017, 6:42 pm
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There is also the lobbyist battle over the replacement fighter for the F-18 Hornets. But the defense policy report said that all of the branches would be getting new stuff, what with the increase in the Army's reserves and the very vague "developing" of the Army.

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