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Kiwi Imperialist
Post subject: Re: Trainbucket ChallengePosted: July 17th, 2021, 9:15 pm
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WesleyWestland wrote: *
P.S. If mixing FD and SB scales in one drawing is not allowed, please let me know and I'll remove the diagram with the coaches, or you can just discount it during voting.
It is great to see Mallard in the challenge. I will ask you to provide an image without the SB scale art for the poll, as it essentially constitutes multiple side views. This is prohibited under Challenge Rule 2. Thanks for being open to change.


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Post subject: Re: Trainbucket ChallengePosted: July 17th, 2021, 11:23 pm
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As is typical of me, I decide to start way too late to get anything meaningful pushed out in time

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Post subject: Re: Trainbucket ChallengePosted: July 18th, 2021, 10:19 am
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No fancy elaborate backstory for this one with no AU or anything attached, just a random operator I came up with on the fly.

The 7000 Class and the related 8000 Class are intended to be a series of powerful diesel-electric locomotives designed and manufactured in the late 1950s to replace worn out and obsolete WW2 (or similar) equipment.
In an attempt to modernise the image of the railways in the eye of the public, the new locomotives adopted a streamlined profile heavily inspired by the designs of Baldwin in the United States.
To meet the desired power need to reduce the requirement of double heading on many services, an unusual powerplant choice was found in twin Napier Deltics in the style of the future British Class 55.
Whilst less reliable than American powerplants of the time, the increased power output and commonality with ground power installations was considered desirable at the time.

Unusually for an American styled locomotive, the 7000 series adopted a twin or double ended cab arrangement to facilitate easier runaround and reverse workings without the need for turning the locomotive. The related 8000 Class would appear more typical with only a single cab and typically paired, sometimes with booster B units.

The image features 7014, one of the last members of the class hauling a rake of BH Open Hoppers loaded with coal, one of the primary goods served by Dominion. Trailing the consist is an old D class Guards Van dating back to the turn of the century but still put to work due to lack of newer vans available.

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WesleyWestland
Post subject: Re: Trainbucket ChallengePosted: July 18th, 2021, 12:43 pm
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Kiwi Imperialist wrote: *
WesleyWestland wrote: *
P.S. If mixing FD and SB scales in one drawing is not allowed, please let me know and I'll remove the diagram with the coaches, or you can just discount it during voting.
It is great to see Mallard in the challenge. I will ask you to provide an image without the SB scale art for the poll, as it essentially constitutes multiple side views. This is prohibited under Challenge Rule 2. Thanks for being open to change.
That's fine, here it is:

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Post subject: Re: Trainbucket ChallengePosted: July 18th, 2021, 3:02 pm
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Prototype diesl hydraulic DP.3 "Medb"

As a part of a series of trials on IB metals DP.3 was a proposal to marry the Napier T9 engines with Mekydro K184U transmissions already in use elsewhere. Whilst successful, reliability compared to the Maybach and Paxman engined locos. The loco would later serve as a company testbed for different powerplants.

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Post subject: Re: Trainbucket ChallengePosted: July 18th, 2021, 4:45 pm
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I'm not going to comment on the designs as such, as comparing drawings in various scales and ranging thematically from mine locomotives to express trains is IMHO bit unjust in itself.

But I'd like to express some thoughts on formal matters (not in order of importance, but just in order I noticed these issues):
- while probably never expressed formally, by convention rail vehicles were depicted with tracks (Kannevets, Blue Funnel, Wesley Westland);
- having a red "frame" around all drawing, that also doubles as the rail/ground level for some but not all sections of the trainset depicted looks bit awkward and very non-standard (Armoured Man);
- I believe that while not necessarily stated specifically this way, templates of less than 1000 x 330 pixels were never allowed for any purpose (Trainspite, Daemyrs, Denodon);
- and I think that while SB-style (regardless of actual scale) permits showing very small elements without black contour if it would distort them too much, the rods, esp. on the drawings larger than FD, are IMHO big enough to be shown with contour - also, by convention, the contour where window meets frame (metal, wood) should be generally also made in black (Trainspite);
- it's also preferred to avoid black lumps (double black lines) - for example created by heads of screws on the cyllinder (Trainspite).


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Post subject: Re: Trainbucket ChallengePosted: July 18th, 2021, 6:34 pm
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Plasser & Theurer "Stopfexpress" 09-3X tamping machine

This is a German-built tamping machine, that can be found all over the world.
Depicted is a typically German variant in manufacturer livery. Note that there are tens and tens of variants of this model, my drawing is based on a unit from H.F. Wiebe.

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Post subject: Re: Trainbucket ChallengePosted: July 18th, 2021, 10:16 pm
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In 2003, the HSA (High Speed Alliance)(Consisting of an cooperation between the Belgian and Dutch railway companies) won the concession for the new Dutch high speed railway system. It would start operations in 2009, taking over the international route between Brussels and Amsterdam (With stops in Rotterdam, Breda and Antwerp).
As it was a brand new railway, no train in the Belgian or Dutch inventory was fully suited for the task. Requests for a new train went out..... and no replies came from the industry for a new train of which only 19 would be build.
The HSA then cooperated with the Nederlandse Spoorwegen (Dutch railways) to come to an new requirement that would be satisfactory both for the HSA's needs and that of the general railway network of the Netherlands, to replace the famous 'Koplopers' in service as the single deck intercity train in the near future.

3 proposals were made on this, and in the end one of them was chosen: the entry by Bombardier. Bombardier had used it's long experience with the Netherlands trains to create a new version of the Koploper, one with an more modern and simpler design for the passage from one multiple unit train to the other.
This created a very flexible set of trains, so flexible even that of the first series of trains had the '6' painted in the Fyra colours, while the '4' which was not always connected to the international trains (depending on expected amounts of passengers) had a more general NS paint scheme so it could be used more easily outside it's normal route.
25 '4's and 20 '6's were ordered, of which the first were delivered in 2014. From 2018 onwards the interim (leased) TRAXX locomotives were retired from service on the high speed rail network and all operations were done by the HSDM.
From 2021 onwards, more trains of the same type were ordered by the Nederlandse Spoorwegen, most of which did not have the ability to run on the 25 kV of the high speed network, which also reduced the top speed.
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Bombardier HSDM
  • Top speed: 230 km/h (25 kV), 170 km/h (1500 V)
  • Operational voltages: 1500 V DC, 3000 V DC, 25 kV AC
  • Train length: 92,11 meter ('4'), 133,89 meter ('6') and 226,00 meter (normal length for operations as Fyra)
  • Operators: HSA/ Fyra, Nederlanse Spoorwegen
  • Seated capacity: 245 passengers 2nd class, 27 passengers 1st class ('4'). 324 passengers 2nd class, 81 passengers 1st class ('6'). 569 passengers 2nd class, 108 passengers 1st class (total)
I dedicate this challenge entry to a dear friend of mine who sadly passed away last year. Over the past years we spend many hours over some good beers discussing Dutch trains, so when this challenge came up I had no choice but to use that as inspiration ;)

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Post subject: Re: Trainbucket ChallengePosted: July 18th, 2021, 10:46 pm
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I absolutely love the shading and colours of your locomotive. Unfortunately, when it comes to the poll, I can only choose one image. Challenge Rule 1 states "each participant must submit a single image". Do you have a preference?
Thank you for the comments, my preference would be to use the original image with the side window, assuming the style of shading used on it doesn't get it disqualified.
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- it's also preferred to avoid black lumps (double black lines) - for example created by heads of screws on the cyllinder (Trainspite).
I'm not sure if I could have managed to avoid the double black pixels on the cylinders, unless I shaded the same as black painted portions of the cylinder cover. It's tricky with some small details. Otherwise, I think I could have used black outlines on the major rods, but for consistency with the smaller motion, left them in a darker red.


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Post subject: Re: Trainbucket ChallengePosted: July 19th, 2021, 12:54 am
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A couple of firsts for me here. First drawing I plot instead of tracing or sketching from concept drawings, and first Rationscale (3px = 1mm) I've ever done.
A bit of a troll entry? Not really since there's no ill intent, but its definitely tongue in cheek so bear with me.
Oh yeh, and coincidentally, this little baby is exactly the same size IRL and in the drawing in my screen (27" at 1920x1080).

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