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Kiwi Imperialist
Post subject: Anti-Submarine Task Force Flagship ChallengePosted: October 8th, 2021, 12:05 pm
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The naval powers of the world have sought to destroy the submarine since its inception. As the submarine grew in size and capability, so too did its enemies. The age of the humble naval trawler has long since passed. Flotillas of dedicated anti-submarine warfare vessels now roam the waves in search of subsurface prey. Welcome to Shipbucket's Anti-Submarine Task Force Flagship Challenge! Your objective is to draw a fictional ship intended to serve as the flagship of an anti-submarine task force. This topic was derived from several suggestions in the future challenge ideas thread and chosen by popular vote after the Battle Rifle Challenge. Please read the design requirements and challenge rules before posting a submission.

Design Requirements
  1. Your submission must depict the flagship of an anti-submarine task force.
  2. It must be purpose-built or converted in some way to serve in the role.
  3. The design must be fictional.

Challenge Rules
  1. Each participant must submit a single image.
  2. The image should be a Shipbucket template modified to include the participant’s art. Templates which include a data sheet are allowed.
  3. One side-view of the participant's ship must be included. One top-view is also permitted, but not required. All other views are prohibited.
  4. If two views are included, they must depict the same ship, in the same configuration, at the same point in time.
  5. All art must be in Shipbucket scale and conform to the Shipbucket style guidelines.
  6. A textual description accompanying each submission is permitted, but not necessary.
  7. Non-serious entries, or entries substantially deviate from the challenge requirements, are not allowed.
  8. Off-topic posts will be reported to the relevant authorities.

This challenge will run until the 7th of November, ending at 23:59 UTC-12 (International Date Line West).
A countdown timer can be found at this link.


This challenge has been extended and will now run until the 14th of November, ending at 23:59 UTC-12 (International Date Line West).
An updated countdown timer can be found at this link.


A poll will be held after this date. Members of the Shipbucket community will have an opportunity to rate each submission. Please provide honest and meaningful scores for each entry. Responses which grant maximum scores to a select group of entries, and minimum scores to all other entries, will be deleted. Members of the community who manipulate the results in such a fashion may also be subject to a permanent ban. Scores will be allocated in two categories, each with a scale of 1 to 10:

  • Drawing Quality - The overall quality of the drawing. One might consider detailing, shading, and accuracy.
  • Design Quality -The quality of the design presented, irrespective of drawing quality. One could consider feasibility, practicality, and realism.


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Post subject: Re: Anti-Submarine Task Force Flagship ChallengePosted: October 9th, 2021, 6:46 am
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Project 1122 Hiirihaukka Class

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Project 1122 was essentially conventional powered version of the Project 1121 nuclear powered ocean escort. It was designed from the start as a multirole ship however the massive size of the Linnunrata-sonar suite and associated T-3 Harpuuna ASW missile system forced TTPL to adopt tow different variant of the design, Project 1122 ASW variant (Showed here) and Project 1122.1 Tunturihaukka class general purpose variant which had better AAW and AsuW capabilities.

Project 1122 usually operated alongside the carrier force or in independent ASW groups. Ryhdikäs is shown here during the Gulf of Saampre incident where the 54th ASW brigade was sent to Gulf of Saampre to shown flag for the Arybeligo after their newly aquired submarines from Rimshack had harassed Neuvosto fleet units couple months earlier. Ryhdikäs served as the leader of this brigade.

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Post subject: Re: Anti-Submarine Task Force Flagship ChallengePosted: October 9th, 2021, 7:55 am
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Spruanski? Looks very good overall and Gollevainen is setting the bar high!

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Post subject: Re: Anti-Submarine Task Force Flagship ChallengePosted: October 12th, 2021, 9:34 am
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Joe-Class Anti-Submarine Destroyer

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Name: DDG-25 Joe
Builders: New York Shipbuilding Corporation
Operators: Kongdom of Eldia Navy
Type: Guided missile destroyer (DDG)
Commissioned: 26 November 1973
Displacement: 4,820 tons full load
Length 138.75 m
Beam 14.7 m
Draft 7.54 m
Installed power
4×1,200 psi (8,300 kPa) boilers
58,000 shp

Propulsion
2×Westinghouse steam turbine
1×Shaft
Speed: 30 kn
Range: 4,800 nmi at 20 kn
Complement: 305
Sensors and

Processing Systems
1xAN/SPS-10 Surface Search Radar
1xAN/SPS-40 Air Search Radar
1xAN/SPS-48 Air Search Radar
1xAN/SPS-67 Surface Search Radar
1xAN/SQS-26 Active/Passive Sonar
1xAN/SQR-18 Towed array sonar system
1xAN/SQS-35 IVDS Sonar
2xAN/SPG-51 SM-1 Missile Fire Control Radar
1xAN/SPG-53 Mk68 Gun Fire Control System

Electronic Warfare:
1xAN/SLQ-32 Electronics Warfare System

Decoys:
4xMark 36 SRBOC Launchers Missile Decoys
1xAN/SLQ-25 Nixie Torpedo Decoy

Armament
1xMk 13 single arm missile launcher for 40 RIM-66 Standard (SM-1) missiles
2×5-inch (127 mm)/54 caliber Mark 42 guns
4x12.7 mm guns
1×Mk 16 launcher for 16 RUR-5 ASROC Anti-Submarine missiles
2×Dual Mark 32 Surface Vessel Torpedo Tubes for 20 Mk 46 Anti-Submarine Torpedoes

Aircraft
1×SH-2 Seasprite (LAMPS I) Have No Hangar

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Post subject: Re: Anti-Submarine Task Force Flagship ChallengePosted: October 12th, 2021, 12:43 pm
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Spruanski? Looks very good overall and Gollevainen is setting the bar high!
I've been refering it as "Sprudaloy" ;)

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Post subject: Re: Anti-Submarine Task Force Flagship ChallengePosted: October 15th, 2021, 5:30 am
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Reuben James Class Guided Missile Destroyer Leader

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In the wake of the Second Surge, there was a wealth of documentation on instances of anti-submarine warfare that occurred during the conflict, along with the development of strategy and tactics during said conflict. Both this and the development of technology in the post war years has led to a critical weakness being discovered in Columbian Naval Strategy, that being the lack of dedicated anti-submarine hunter killer groups and the lack of proper flagships to lead them.

In 1949 in the immediate year following the conflict, the first ship of this new class of vessels was ordered, the CNS Scott, a destroyer leader. Only 2 of these vessels were built, with the Mitscher Class following in the early 50’s, having 4 of these vessels built.

The year is 1958 and the Columbian Naval High Command has been considering the concept of arming future Destroyer Leaders with both AA missiles and anti-submarine torpedoes. By 1959 the first vessel of the class was ordered and was scheduled to be completed in late 1962, when the R&D department estimated testing for the new weapons and systems would be completed.

In 1960, 4 Star Admiral and one of the most decisive commanders during the Second Surge, Reuben James, passed away during his battle with tuberculosis. Columbian Naval High Command had lost one of its best tacticians and strategists of the time, and his closest peers including Rear Admiral Neuman Sprague, petitioned the new class to be named in honor of him and in recognition of his past service. It was a unanimous agreement, with the other members of the class to be named after Admirals who proved themselves during the conflict, and had passed away in the years following.

On April 15th, 1963, the ship was officially commissioned into the Columbian Navy, with her sister ships being commissioned in the years following.

Reuben James Class Guided Missile Destroyer Leader
Displacement: 5560 tons
Length: 536 ft and 6 in
Beam: 54 ft
Draft: 17 ft and 6 in
Installed power: 2x 300 kW generators, 80,000 shp

Propulsion: 2x Steam Turbines & 2x Shaft
Speed: 32 Knots (33.4 Speed Trials)
Range: 6,000 nmi at 20 knots
Complement: 504 Enlisted & 42 Officers

Sensors and Processing Systems
1x AN/SPS-10 Surface Search Radar
1x AN/SPS-37 2D Air Search Radar
1x AN/SPS-48D 3D Air Search Radar
1x AN/SQS-23 Active/Passive Sonar
2x AN/SPG-51 Tracking/Illumination Fire Control Radar
1x AN/SPG-53 Mk68 Gun Fire Control System
1x Mk56 Mod.38 Gun Fire Control System
Electronic Warfare: SLX-32 Experimental Electronic Warfare System

Armament:
3x Mark 42 5”/54 Caliber Gun
4x Oerlikon 20mm Cannon
1x Mk 13 Guided Missile Launching System with 40 RIM-66 Standard Missiles
1x Mk 112 “Matchbox” Launcher with 20 Mk 46 ASW Torpedo & 4 W44 Nuclear Depth Charge
2x Mk 32 SVTT with 6 Mk 46 ASW Torpedo

Aircraft: 1x Sikorsky H-34 (Not Permanently Assigned)

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Post subject: Re: Anti-Submarine Task Force Flagship ChallengePosted: October 16th, 2021, 8:11 pm
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Lakehurst class Helicopter Carrier Airship

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Specifications

Crew: 75
Length: 845 ft
Diameter: 148 ft
Height: 154 ft
Volume: 9,157,801 cu ft
Useful Lift: 168,440 lbs
Powerplant: 8x Napier Culverin 6-cylinder, 12 piston diesel engines, 890 HP each
Propellers: 13 ft, 4 blade Curtiss Electric C542S constant-speed propellers

Performance

Top Speed: 71 knots
Cruise Speed: 58 knots
Range: 6,531 nm
Service Ceiling: 10,000 ft at combat loading

Armament and Sensors

Guns: 16x M2 .50 cal Browning Machine Guns (4 twin turrets per side)
Aircraft: 6x Sikorsky R4 helicopters (dorsal hangar)
Radar: 1x SK-2 Air Search Radar (nose)
1x SG-1 Surface Search Radar (control car pod)
1x SC-1 Air Search Radar (tail)
Electronics: 1x YG Aircraft Homing Beacon
2x 66ACF IFF Antenna
2x 66015 Talk-Between-Ships Antenna
1x Radio Direction Finder

Background

Designed as all-seeing eyes in the sky from which hunter killer groups could be commanded, the Lakehurst class airships came from a culmination of two ideas. The first being the airship as a platform with which to move the bulky early radar sets to an airborne observation position. The second, a revival of the airship carrying parasite aircraft as a potential solution to the problem of providing air cover over Allied Convoys in the North Atlantic.

The former idea began to take hold in earnest when the old airship USS Los Angeles was reactivated in 1939 and overhauled at the Goodyear-Zeppelin airship works in Akron, Ohio. The work included repairs to the frame, all-new latex gas bags, and the addition of a nose cone structure housing the experimental CXAM-1 air search radar. The weight allowance for this device was taken out of the fuel capacity, which limited the airship's range, but this was considered acceptable. After her year long reconstruction, the Los Angeles would spend 1940 and 1941 patrolling off the US East Coast, using her new sensors to monitor maritime traffic off American shores, including a few U-boats which ventured that far. Reports were generally positive, and despite several endemic issues to airborne operation, when the radar worked it enjoyed greater range and a clearer picture than ground mounts or shipboard sets.

During this period she made one transatlantic flight, operating off the tender USS Patoka to make the journey with her now limited range. Operating from neutral Spain, she made flights into France to monitor the ongoing air battles on the Western Front, testing the capability of her radar in acquiring military airborne targets. These operations were highly top secret, and neither Spanish nor Allied officials were made aware of the nature of Los Angeles's "electronic equipment" she was testing. All flights over France and into contested airspace were made at night under radio silence, and it was not until after the war that most Allied officials realized that there had been an American airship spying on the air war over Europe.

The second idea that would underpin the concept of the Lakehurst class airships was that of the parasite aircraft carrying airship, an idea pioneered by the ill-fated USS Akron and USS Macon in the 1930s. With the much greater ranges of German U-boats compared to their WW1 counterparts, they could now sail well into the Atlantic Ocean and outside the reach of air over from English bases. A long range airship could both search for U-boats itself from it's perch high in the sky, and deploy smaller aircraft to cover a wider swath of sea, at any point along the journey. As the convoy war began to take shape in 1940, Goodyear was requested by the Navy to produce a series of design studies into the feasibility of a new type of aircraft carrying airship to escort convoys in the Battle of the Atlantic.

One point of particular interest in the development of these studies was a new type of aircraft that had emerged in the 1930s well after the final design work on the older Akron class had completed. The gyrocopter was viewed by many airship engineers as a promising solution to the issues faced in recovering craft launched from the airship. The trapeze system had never been wholly satisfactory, and it was undesirable to return to such a form after experiences aboard Los Angeles, Akron and Macon had shown the difficulties in it's use. At the maximum speed of an airship, a gyrocopter could potentially have enough lift to rise vertically from its hangar, which could thus be mounted dorsally. This was highly attractive to designers, as the pilot would thus only have to land on a marked platform, instead of carefully and precisely latching the skyhook onto the crossbar in flight as had been done with previous parasite fighters.

With the Battle of the Atlantic rapidly escalating throughout 1941, design work on the new airship was proceeding in earnest now. On September 30, 1941, the Navy awarded Goodyear-Zeppelin the contract to build four new airships, and authorized major expansions to the existing airship bases to build hangars large enough to accommodate the new giants. The final specifications called for an airship of 9 million cubic foot volume, to carry six autogyros. Though no modern types were in production, it was expected that by the time of the airships completion a suitable model could be procured. Sikorsky's experiments in rotorcraft were known to the designers at the time of the contract being awarded, and remained of considerable interested throughout the design and construction work. The requirements also called for a large radar to be nose-mounted as had been done experimentally in Los Angeles. The radar would be the in-development replacement for the CXAM, what would eventually become the famous SK radar.

As the airships began construction, the doctrine for their use developed from experience in the battles against the U-boats in the Atlantic. The emphasis gradually moved away from the airship as a spotting platform. As radar proved it's value and effectiveness in combat, the plan became one of the airship using its radars to see contacts far beyond the range of ship mounted sets. Once the contact was being tracked, the airship would dispatch its aircraft to investigate. From there, if a submarine was found, the gyrocopter could loiter on site and report it's position and speed back to surface ships by radio. If the submarine dove, the gyrocopter could hover overhead, looking down vertically to see the U-boat. In this way, the airships could lead hunter killer groups against the German submarine threat, finding and marking the enemy for death with a huge radius of sight.

Laid down in late 1941 and early 1942, the four ships of the Lakehurst class were all assigned names in the same convention as the previous airships- cities and towns, just like cruisers in the surface fleet. USS Lakehurst ZR-6, USS Kittyhawk ZR-7, USS Arlen ZR-8 and USS Lawndale ZR-9, would be the largest flying objects ever constructed, nearly as long as the Iowa class battleships, and over 50 feet longer than the previous Akron class. Their design incorporated a unique, four-keel arrangement, a development of the three-keeled structure pioneered by the preceding ships. Arranged in an X formation, this design supported the dorsal hangar bay between the two uppermost keels. The landing platform for the rotorcraft was also the hangar door. When an aircraft was securely aboard, the door would swing downwards and function as a ramp to roll an aircraft back into the hangar, or up to the flight deck for launch.

The Lakehurst class also incorporated other innovations into their design as well. Their engines were of a unique type, the Napier Culverin 6-cylinder aviation diesel. This was a license copy of the Jumo 205 engine, used by the Axis in the BV 138 triple-engine floatplane. It had excellent fuel efficiency and endurance, ideal for long range airship cruises. It employed a very odd, opposed-piston design not seen in any other type of engine. Due to British manufacturing tolerances not meeting American standards for interchangeability of parts, after the first 32 engines were delivered by Napier for use in Lakehurst and Kittyhawk, the Packard company was tasked with creating a copy satisfactory for American needs. These engines would power the Arlen and Lawndale, and would be refitted to the two older sisters following the war.

By the time USS Lakehurst commissioned into the Navy on July 18, 1944, Germany had already surrendered, and the U-boat threat had long been extinct in the Atlantic. With the war in Europe shifting towards a focus on the conflict against the Soviets, largely a ground war with no major naval component, a new mission was envisioned for the giant rigids. They would be dispatched to the Pacific, to serve in the ongoing war against Japan, serving as early warning stations for the fleet against incoming air attacks. Ultimately, their most intensive deployment would come in the Spring of 1945, as they were all assigned radar picket duty against the kamikazes during the Okinawa campaign. In this capacity they provided an invaluable early warning network ahead of the picket destroyers, allowing USMC and Navy patrol aircraft to blunt dozens of strikes. Through careful positioning and situational awareness the airships remained undetected in their work, using their own radars to track potential Japanese scouts and carefully dance around them to avoid being spotted.

After the war they remained in service, and served in some capacity closer to their original envisioned role tracking British and French submarines, as tensions rose throughout the 1950s over colonial crises. Though it never escalated to open shooting, the airship crews performed stellar work in tracking and monitoring the deployment of increasingly advanced post-war submarines. The crews would state after the fact they were confident in their ability to find and kill such threats, should the tensions ever escalate to a hot war.


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Post subject: Re: Anti-Submarine Task Force Flagship ChallengePosted: October 17th, 2021, 10:21 am
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Joe-Class Anti-Submarine Destroyer

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Nice design, but you might want to do something about that horrible old yellow prop, it's sure to cost you points come judgment time.

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Post subject: Re: Anti-Submarine Task Force Flagship ChallengePosted: October 19th, 2021, 1:36 pm
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My entry for the challenge, a modified version of this: http://www.shipbucket.com/forums/viewto ... 60#p202304. I've added some torpedo tubes and additional RBUs to make this much closer to an ASW cruiser than a carrier.

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Kiev, 1973

To counter the Polaris-armed SSBN fleets of NATO, the Soviet Union required more organic ASW aircraft support for the fleet, especially to command and organise the defence of the bastions then being created for the Soviets 'boomer' fleet in the arctic. Following on from the two Project 1123 Moskva helicopter-carrying cruisers, the third Pr.1123 ship, Kiev, was redesigned as the Pr.1134, the Soviet's first true aircraft carrier with a full-sized flight deck with an angled deck on the portside to allow the use of helicopters and V/STOL fighters. The Kiev was an interim design before the Project 1143 came into service at the end of the 1970s.

Kiev: completed 24/04/1973, commissioned into the Northern Fleet, decommissioned 14/07/1993

Displacement: 36,000 tons
Dimensions: 287m (long, overall), 232.7m (long, waterline), 54.5m (beam, including flight deck), 8.5m (draught, mean)
Armament: 12x2 76mm AK-257, 2x2 M-11 Shtorm SAM launchers, 1x2 MS-18 launcher for RPK-1 Vikrh, 2x5 533mm torpedo tubes for torpedoes, 2x RBU-6000 ASW rocket launchers, 2x RBU-1000 ASW rocket launchers
Airgroup: 18x Kamov Ka-20 'Hound' attack helicopters and Kamov Ka-25 'Hormone' ASW helicopters, 9x Yakovlev Yak-36M 'Freehand' V/STOL fighters
Machinery: 4x 45,000shp TV-12 steam turbines
Speed: 29.5kts

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Post subject: Re: Anti-Submarine Task Force Flagship ChallengePosted: October 23rd, 2021, 10:46 pm
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Okay, this is my first ever challenge submission and my first drawing I would consider properly 'finished' to boot, so please be gentle with me.

The idea started out as a semi-shitpost based on a KC fic of all things and gradually grew into something quite realistic (at least I like to tell myself it is). Basically, at some point in the 50s the JMSDF decided to buy an aircraft carrier, and some politicians in the US who were upset at the decision to scrap Enterprise (CV-6) managed to convince them to buy and refit her instead of an Essex or Midway. She started out fitted for an anti-surface role and served for around 35 years, gradually being refitted every now and then until Japan finally started building more carriers, at which point she got redesignated as an ASW carrier and given a bunch of helicopters to shepherd around.

As part of her initial refit before being sent to Japan she was given a hurricane bow and enclosed stern, a completely new flight deck and island, and large anti-torpedo bulges to help support all the added topweight. This did reduce her speed quite drastically though (I'm not sure quite how much, but probably to somewhere between 23-27 knots I'm guessing given the size of the bulges).

As part of her later refits, Seasparrow and Phalanx point-defense systems were added, as well as better radar and electronic systems, though her SPS-43 was retained due to its exceptionally long range. I have no idea how satcom or any non-radar shipboard electronic system works to be honest, but the people on discord haven't said the fit I currently have on her is incorrect, so that's something I guess.

Anyways, enough droning on, here's the drawing:

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I also made fore and aft views, but since they aren't allowed in the challenge entry I put them in a separate image:

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I have no idea if the 1950s-era JMSDF would use those sorts of deck markings or more American-style ones, but I went rule of cool and gave her proper red-and-white stripes. Her new name, Yonaga, is Japanese for Long Night and is in reference to the darkness that descended over their nation during WWII. Japanese carriers use symbols called Katakana to distinguish them from the air, with each carrier having the symbol that represents the sound of the first part of their name. So for example Kaga had カ, which is pronounced "ka". The Katakana for "yo" is ヨ, which happens to look like an inverted E, which is very fitting in my opinion. In addition, if one counts all of the aircraft carriers built or ordered for construction by the Japanese Navy (but not the Army, which also had it's own carriers), then Yonaga would be the 44th. This is also fitting, as the Japanese symbol for 4 is the same as their symbol for death, and of course, Enterprise is known for sinking a great many ships, including three aircraft carriers on the exact same day.

That's about all I can think of in terms of lore for now. A big thanks to everyone on discord, especially Acelancaloet, Charguizard, and Colosseum (who drew the original CV-6 drawing). Also thanks to Sheo Darren on the Spacebattles forums for writing the surprisingly good if very unrealistic Kantai Collection fanfic Eternity that inspired all of this in the first place.


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The image here no longer represents the most up-to-date version of the drawing, for those interested here it is: https://i.imgur.com/VElHGHu.png

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