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Post subject: Generic ship guide.Posted: November 28th, 2012, 9:16 am
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Warships have changed a lot over time, especially in the last century. Eswube recently started with supplying some ‘generic’ designs to newbe’s who had problem with role, size and time era of their ships. We came to the conclusion that these ‘generics’ had potential to show people what to keep in mind when designing ships, and when looking at real ships to see how they work. note that this guide is considered unfinished: I myself lack time to finish the description for the images eswube provided. if somebody else want to provide that, or if you consider the description incorrect, please PM me ;)

First in this series is the destroyer, one of the most well known and most drawn ship types in here.

In 1894, the HMS Havock and HMS Hornet were commissioned in the RN. These ships are considered the first TBD’s, torpedo boat destroyers. These ships were considered “large, swift, and powerfully armed torpedo boats designed to destroy other torpedo boats.” The first of the generics is placed in 1900, a few years later. For real life references for these, look for example at the USN Bainbridge Class and the RN C-Class.
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Noted should be the very large engine room spaces the relatively light armament, only suitable against vessels of similar size, sometimes grouped with torpedo tubes.

Per 1915, TBD was shortened to simply ‘destroyer’. Steam turbines were now used on basically every new ship, and their speed was not lowered by their larger size. Armament was slightly upgraded, now also suitable to fight slightly larger ships effectively. They were still of no real use against the large dreadnoughts which dominated the naval battle of these years, and the ships served primary in escort, support and patrol duty’s, and as ‘screen’ for the capital ships.
Good examples of these years are the Tatra, Laforey and Wickes class
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Noted should be the shallow draft, large forecastle and low freeboard. Also, the still huge machinery spaces.

1930 saw the destroyers grown again, and finally the design reflected more that of an gun-ship then an torpedo attack ship. these were also the years that ASW began to influence the designs of the ships, as the submarine as weapon had grown a lot in WW1. We also see the first AA weapons being shipped, but only small batteries as there has not yet been any operational ship that has been sunk from the air.
Good examples of ships are the Dutch Admiralen class and the RN V-class.
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Noted should be the lower amount of funnels, possible by the larger design (trunking) and because of better boilers available.

By 1945 the destroyer had become an unit that could operate completely independent in the heaviest war zones. The convoys showed both the power and the shortcomings of the destroyer, in that they lacked range and needed large crews, but could do a large variety of roles. It also saw the introduction of radar, sonar, and the need for large AA batteries, but this time had its drawback as well, as we saw the quality going down as the ship were build in very large numbers.
Good examples are the Fletcher and the Alan M Summer classes.
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Keep in mind that this is also the time that depth charge racks were partially replaced by depth charge throwers.

By 1960 destroyers had completely changed. They had become the general purpose ship, and were often specialized in AAW or ASW. An good example is the Indomito Class. Gun armament was still important, but was slowly replaced by missile armament. Torpedo tubes had become an secondary weapon, which did not influence the design much. Eswube has made some variation in the designs here: we have an ASW and an AAW warship. Both are in fact multi-purpose but can do one of the 2 tasks better.
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Note the much seaworthier design of the hull, the larger beam and freeboard and the large amount of electronics on the structure, replacing the ‘weapons were we can fit them’ on the designs from WW2.


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Examples for this ship: Suffren (France), Tromp (Netherlands), Audace (Italy)

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Examples for this ship: Hatsuyuki, Asagiri, Takatsuki, Tachikaze (AAW) (Japan), Spruance (USA)

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Examples for this ship: Tachikaze, Hatakaze (Japan), Audace, Luigi De la Penne (Italy)

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Examples for these ships: Daring (Great Britain), Horizon (France-Italy), Hobart (Australia)

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Post subject: Re: Generic ship guide.Posted: November 28th, 2012, 9:28 am
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This looks great! Also a welcome help for us who aren't very accustomed to the missile era... :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: Generic ship guide.Posted: November 28th, 2012, 9:38 am
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Second part of the series are frigates (and destroyer escorts)

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Examples for this ship: Evarts, Cannon, Rudderow (USA)

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Examples for this ship: River, Bay, Loch (Great Britain)

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Examples for this ship: Whitby, Rothesay (Great Britain)

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Examples for this ship: Amazon (Great Britain), Vosper Mk.10 Niteroi (Great Britain/Brazil), Vosper Mk.7 (Great Britain/Libya), Lupo (Italy)

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Examples for this ship: Bronstein, Garcia, Knox (USA)

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Examples for this ship: MEKO-200 (Germany), Kortenaer, Karel Doorman (Netherlands), Bremen (Germany)

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Examples for this ship: La Fayette (France), Brandenburg (Germany), MEKO-A200 (Germany/South Africa), Fridtjof Nansen (Norway), De Zeven Provincien (Netherlands)

Note that this guide is considered unfinished: Acelanceloet lacks time to finish the description for the images I have provided. if somebody else want to provide that, or if you consider the description incorrect, please PM Acelanceloet :)

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Post subject: Re: Generic ship guide.Posted: November 28th, 2012, 10:16 am
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Are we allowed to use them?

Considering I cannot not do a modern warship.

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Post subject: Re: Generic ship guide.Posted: November 28th, 2012, 10:19 am
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if you credit, go ahead, but I would rather see you designed your own vessels based on these characteristics. these are, after all, summarized and simplified setups from existing warships, (it is noted which for each design) and are not the only way to get it working.

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Post subject: Re: Generic ship guide.Posted: November 28th, 2012, 10:31 am
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Formally speaking You are allowed to use them, assuming that proper rules are observed (like crediting).
That said, while I already gave permission to do so for Trojan with one or two of these, I'd personally prefer to see (all of) You drawing ships on Your own.
These drawings are meant to be just (as the name of the thread says) a guide for newbies to know what (roughly) it should look like and what they need to take into account, not a sort of kids coloring book.

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Post subject: Re: Generic ship guide.Posted: November 28th, 2012, 11:19 am
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I have to praise you for this illustrated going through naval vessels development. It really helps to give the right insight, not only to draw AU vessels but also to understand what is drawn in real life ships. THANKS :!: :D

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Post subject: Re: Generic ship guide.Posted: November 28th, 2012, 11:47 am
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This is great work. Really interesting, thank you both.

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Post subject: Re: Generic ship guide.Posted: November 28th, 2012, 2:53 pm
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I commend this guide rather highly. Whilst I've managed to find my way since joining the hard way this should help the various new people who arrive immensely and maybe even some of the more established members!

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Post subject: Re: Generic ship guide.Posted: November 28th, 2012, 3:49 pm
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Nice to read words of appreciation. :)
It would be even nicer if there were a knowledgeable volunteer to write the remaining part of the descriptions and perhaps to participate in continuation of this project (I can do the drawings, but not the descriptions, and would need someone to do "technical control" of these drawings, as they would involve mostly big ships which aren't my area of expertise). ;)

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