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Post subject: Two news articles - one happy, one sad.Posted: June 5th, 2012, 11:00 pm
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First the happy:
NASA gets two military spy telescopes for astronomy
By Joel Achenbach, Updated: Monday, June 4, 11:38 AM

The secretive government agency that flies spy satellites has made a stunning gift to NASA: two exquisite telescopes as big and powerful as the Hubble Space Telescope. They’ve never left the ground and are in storage in Rochester, N.Y.

It’s an unusual technology transfer from the military-intelligence space program to the better-known civilian space agency. It could be a boost for NASA’s troubled science program, which is groaning under the budgetary weight of the James Webb Space Telescope, still at least six years from launch.

Or it could be a gift that becomes a burden. NASA isn’t sure it can afford to put even one of the two new telescopes into orbit.

The telescopes were built by private contractors for the National Reconnaissance Office, one of 16 U.S. intelligence agencies. The telescopes have 2.4-meter (7.9-foot) mirrors, just like the Hubble, but they have 100 times the field of view. Their structure is shorter and squatter.

They’re “space qualified,” as NASA puts it, but they’re a long way from being functioning space telescopes. They have no instruments — there are no cameras, for example. More than that, they lack a funded mission and all that entails, such as a scientific program, support staff, data analysis and office space. They will remain in storage while NASA mulls its options.

“It’s great news,” said NASA astrophysics director Paul Hertz. “It’s real hardware, and it’s got really impressive capabilities.”

The announcement Monday raised the obvious question of why the intelligence agency would no longer want, or need, two Hubble-class telescopes. A spokeswoman, Loretta DeSio, provided information sparingly.

“They no longer possessed intelligence-collection uses,” she said of the telescopes.

She confirmed that the hardware represents an upgrade of Hubble’s optical technology.

“The hardware is approximately the same size as the Hubble but uses newer, much lighter mirror and structure technology,” DeSio said. She added, “Some components were removed before the transfer.”

Which components? “I can’t tell you that,” she said.

The telescopes have been declassified, though they remain sufficiently sensitive that neither the NRO or NASA would provide a photograph of them. At a presentation to scientists Monday in Washington, Alan Dressler, an astronomer at the Carnegie Institution for Science, showed an image of one of the telescopes, but it was so thoroughly blacked out — redacted for national security reasons — that the audience burst into laughter.

The surprise announcement was a reminder that NASA isn’t the only space enterprise in the government. Analysts believe that the United States spends more money on military and intelligence space operations than on civilian space efforts.

The two NRO telescopes may be versions of the KH-11 Kennan satellites that the agency has been putting into orbit since 1976, according to a space analyst familiar with both civilian and military hardware. The analyst said that in recent years, the NRO has decided to switch to surveillance satellites that have a broader field of view than the older models. Instead of essentially looking down through a straw at the Earth’s surface, the new technology looks down through a garden hose, the analyst said.

“This is going to be top-quality hardware,” said the analyst, who spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitive nature of the topic. “They’re not state-of-the-art spy satellites, but they are probably still state-of-the-art optics.”

DeSio, the NRO spokeswoman, said the telescopes were built in the late 1990s and early 2000s.

Spotting a dime from space

These are formidable eyes in the sky, apparently. NASA official Michael Moore said that if the Hubble Space Telescope were pointed at the surface of the Earth instead of at outer space, “you could see a dime sitting on top of the Washington Monument.”

The spy telescopes have a feature that civilian space telescopes lack: a maneuverable secondary mirror that makes it possible to obtain more-focused images, said David Spergel, a Princeton University astrophysicist and a co-chair of the National Academies of Science committee on astronomy and astrophysics.

The new telescopes are “actually better than the Hubble. They’re the same size, but the optical design is such that you can put a broader set of instruments on the back,” he said.

Spergel is among the scientists who in 2010 produced the “decadal survey,” which listed the top priorities in astronomy. At the top of the list was a new space telescope that could be used to look for extrasolar planets and to study “dark energy,” the mysterious cosmic force that seems to be causing the universe to expand at an accelerating rate.

NASA has a plan for such a telescope, called the Wide-Field Infrared Survey Telescope (WFIRST). But the program has effectively been put on hold because of the dismal state of the space agency’s science budget.

The Webb has gobbled up money that might have gone to other projects. It’s a jumbo telescope designed to orbit 1 million miles from Earth, where it would observe the mid-infrared portion of the electromagnetic spectrum. With that capability, it could gather light from the farthest reaches of the universe. But it’s not scheduled to launch until 2018, more than four years past the original launch target, and its projected cost is nearing $9 billion.

WFIRST was envisioned as a much less expensive telescope with a relatively modest light-collecting mirror, just 1.5 meters (4.9 feet). One of the new NRO telescopes, with a bigger mirror, would give WFIRST an upgrade in capability.

But everything comes down to money.

No money for a mission

“NASA does not have in its current budget the funding necessary to develop a space telescope mission using these new telescopes,” Hertz, the astrophysics director, said in a conference call.

He said that, using plausible budgets, 2024 would be the earliest date to launch one of the two telescopes unless the agency received additional funding from Congress. “Any dates earlier, like 2019 or 2020, is if money is no object,” Hertz said.

And that is the projection for just one of the telescopes. The other seems destined to remain firmly on the ground for the foreseeable future.

“We don’t at this point in time anticipate ever being rich enough to use both of them, but it sure would be fun, wouldn’t it?” Hertz said.

The value of a space telescope sitting in storage is hard to estimate, but NASA officials said that having a finished piece of telescope hardware would shave about $250 million off a future mission. It would also shorten the timeline on a project by several years.

“The thing that takes the longest to build is the telescope,” Spergel said.

NASA’s windfall takes the pain out of the planned demise of the Hubble. The storied telescope, launched in 1990 and still operating, will lose functionality in coming years. NASA, lacking a space shuttle, has neither the means nor the money to repair the Hubble again. At some point, it will return to the atmosphere in a controlled de-orbit, crash into the Pacific and sink to the bottom of the ocean.

“Instead of losing a terrific telescope, you now have two telescopes even better to replace it with,” Spergel said.

Asked whether anyone at NASA was popping champagne, the agency’s head of science, John Grunsfeld, answered, “We never pop champagne here; our budgets are too tight.”

© The Washington Post Company
Too bad the money just isn't there to launch them yet. Hm, I think I'll write my congressmen about funding a direct Hubble replacement. It won't do anything but make me feel better, but it will do that. NASA is undoubtedly scrambling to find a use for these. I've also looked at the math and it's possible that with the Falcon Heavy you could send one to Mars (not that there is any need to map Mars in that resolution).

And for the sad one:
Space.com wrote:
Space Shuttle Enterprise Damaged at Sea as Weather Delays NYC Intrepid Trip
by Robert Z. Pearlman, collectSPACE.com Editor
Date: 04 June 2012 Time: 10:40 AM ET

Space shuttle Enterprise suffered minor wing damage on Sunday (June 3) when it collided with the navigation guides for a New York railroad bridge during the first half of its sea trek to a Manhattan museum for display.

Mounted atop an open-air, flat-bed barge, Enterprise was on its way from John F. Kennedy (JFK) International Airport in New York to Weeks Marine in Jersey City, N.J., when the accident occurred. The shuttle, NASA's prototype for its orbiter fleet, was making the first leg of its trip to the Intrepid Sea, Air and Space Museum, a converted World War II aircraft carrier that is docked on Manhattan's west side.

The shuttle, which never flew in space but was used for a series of approach and landing tests in the late 1970s, was originally scheduled for delivery to the Intrepid on Tuesday (June 5) but poor weather conditions have delayed its departure until at least Wednesday, the museum said in a statement posted to its website.
Scraping by the bridge

It wasn't weather but a different type of hurdle that slowed the shuttle's arrival in the Garden State on Sunday. The shuttle needed to pass under several waterway crossings to reach Jersey City, including the South Channel Subway Bridge, as well as the Cross Bay Veterans Memorial, Gil Hodges Memorial, and Verrazano-Narrows bridges. [Final Voyage of Space Shuttle Enterprise (Photos)]

"The railroad bridge and the Cross Bay Bridge, each presented challenges," said Dennis Jenkins, who was on board the barge with Enterprise. "The passage through the railroad bridge was narrow with only a few feet of clearance on each wingtip, while the Cross Bay was only a few feet higher than the vertical stabilizer," he wrote in an e-mail that was shared with collectSPACE.

"Mother Nature did not smile on us. Just as the barge entered the railroad bridge, the wind caught it and pushed the right wing into the bridge abutment. Fortunately, the damage seems to be cosmetic, limited to the foam that covered the wingtip. No structure or mechanisms appear to have been damaged," Jenkins wrote.

Jenkins' photos of the damage, which were also shared with collectSPACE.com, show Enterprise as it neared the bridge's navigation aid wooden bumpers. The shuttle's right wing scraped along the bridge barrier, which caused wood chunks to break away from the leading edge of Enterprise's elevon, or flap.

The Intrepid confirmed the damage in a statement released late Sunday.

"A sudden microburst of wind, measured at 35 knots, caused the rub panel foam protective layer of the wingtip of Enterprise to graze the protective wood piling bumpers in the water designed to bumper vessels," the museum said.

Despite the damage, the space shuttle continued on its way to New Jersey with little pause.

"The Cross Bay provided a few heart-stopping seconds, but that was mostly because we were gun-shy after the incident at the railroad bridge (the two bridges are only a few hundred yards apart)," Jenkins wrote. "The rest of the journey was completed without incident."

Enterprise arrived at Weeks Marine on Sunday evening, after it was already dark.

"We will [on Monday be able to] better assess the wingtip damage (it was late by the time we docked, with almost no light available)," Jenkins wrote.
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Great job there. Too bad they didn't send it to a place where there is a runway right next to the building that would house it.

Oh wait, that wasn't NYC.

That's the National Museum of the United States Air Force, or the Seattle Museum of Flight.

Why yes, I'm still bitter (and a bit irrational) that it went to the Intrepid Sea, Air, and Space Museum. How did you know?[/quote]

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Post subject: Re: Two news articles - one happy, one sad.Posted: June 6th, 2012, 2:39 am
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The Federals can screw up a wet dream.
Pandering to a stronghold in an election year- that's all the NYC move was.
Shoulda simply made it an exhibit in Florida, where there are places made to house a shuttle.


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Post subject: Re: Two news articles - one happy, one sad.Posted: June 6th, 2012, 3:09 am
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The Federals can screw up a wet dream.
Pandering to a stronghold in an election year- that's all the NYC move was.
Shoulda simply made it an exhibit in Florida, where there are places made to house a shuttle.
Um, actually they ARE putting one on display at the Kennedy Space Center. Atlantis, which actually did fly in space is being put on display at Kennedy and a mockup of the space shuttle that was previously at the Intrepid Museum is being replaced by the Enterprise, which never actually flew in space, so Florida is actually getting the better shuttle.


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Post subject: Re: Two news articles - one happy, one sad.Posted: June 7th, 2012, 2:33 am
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Carthaginian wrote:
The Federals can screw up a wet dream.
Pandering to a stronghold in an election year- that's all the NYC move was.
Shoulda simply made it an exhibit in Florida, where there are places made to house a shuttle.
Um, actually they ARE putting one on display at the Kennedy Space Center. Atlantis, which actually did fly in space is being put on display at Kennedy and a mockup of the space shuttle that was previously at the Intrepid Museum is being replaced by the Enterprise, which never actually flew in space, so Florida is actually getting the better shuttle.
The point I was making is that NO shuttle should be taken to New York.
The fact that they can't get it there without breaking it is a clear indication that it shouldn't go there.
Notice that the other places all have proper access for flying the orbiters, at least.


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Post subject: Re: Two news articles - one happy, one sad.Posted: June 7th, 2012, 2:41 am
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I think the place that really got shafted was Houston. Johnson Space Center, arguable the 2nd most important place in space exploration history after Kennedy Space Center, definitely deserved to get one.


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Post subject: Re: Two news articles - one happy, one sad.Posted: June 7th, 2012, 2:44 am
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travestytrav25 wrote:
I think the place that really got shafted was Houston. Johnson Space Center, arguable the 2nd most important place in space exploration history after Kennedy Space Center, definitely deserved to get one.
I agree- a far better place than the politically motivated placement in New York.


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Post subject: Re: Two news articles - one happy, one sad.Posted: June 7th, 2012, 6:36 am
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Although i tend to agree with previous posts, that moving a space shuttle to NYC is wrong, I believe the main motivation behind it is money, and not politics. New York is the most toured city (I think even more than Los Angeles Ca.)and so the shuttle there will be more exposed to tourism, hence more income.

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Post subject: Re: Two news articles - one happy, one sad.Posted: June 7th, 2012, 7:23 am
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Carthaginian wrote:
The point I was making is that NO shuttle should be taken to New York.
The fact that they can't get it there without breaking it is a clear indication that it shouldn't go there.
Notice that the other places all have proper access for flying the orbiters, at least.
Carthaginian, would you please take your soap box somewhere else. This is not the site for it and frankly, it's getting sad to look at.

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